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LAWFUL TO VIDEOTAPE WOMEN'S PANTIES
ABC NEWS

Posted on 09/23/2002 11:19:06 AM PDT by hoosierskypilot

Sept. 23 — Jolene Jang was unwittingly caught on videotape while strolling at a street festival in Seattle two summers ago. Later, she learned it was by a video voyeur who had secretly directed the camera lens up her skirt.

Jang, 28, had become the target of "upskirting," a form of voyeurism in which peeping toms either secretly rig up a system of mirrors and hidden video cameras, or simply crouch down with a camera, in order to secretly shoot up a woman's skirt. Such video usually ends up on some of the hundreds of Web sites that feature sex videos.

Witnesses at the Seattle festival also saw the man who targeted Jang videotaping underneath little girls' dresses. They summoned police, who arrested Richard Sorrells, and later found images of girls' and women's skirts recorded on his camera. Sorrells was initially found guilty of voyeurism, but appealed the conviction.

The case went all the way up the Washington State Supreme Court in Olympia, where to the surprise of prosecutors, lawmakers and Jang herself, the taping of her and other targets was ruled "disgusting and reprehensible," but not against the law.

The conviction of Sorrells, and another man, Sean Glas, who had been charged with taking similar pictures at the mall, were overturned. The justices on Sept. 19 ruled unanimously that the state's voyeurism law doesn't apply because the women were taped in a public place, such as a park or shopping mall, where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy.

To Jang, the ruling sounds ridiculous.

"I think it's saying to all the college boys, high school kids and random perverts, 'Hey, it's OK,' " Jang said.

Seattle Police Captain Neil Low, who handles voyeurism cases, said something needs to be done. "I'm outraged that there's a flaw in the system we need to fix," Low said.

As interpreted by the court, the state's voyeurism law protects people who are in a place where they "would have a reasonable expectation of privacy," such as undressing while by themselves in an area where they could expect to be free of intrusion or surveillance.

But the court found the law doesn't apply to filming people in a public place, even if the filming underneath their clothes.

"It is the physical location of the person that is ultimately at issue, not the part of the person's body," Judge Bobbe Bridge wrote.

Washington state lawmakers, who were caught off guard by the ruling, are said to be rushing to introduce new legislation that would outlaw the activity.


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1 posted on 09/23/2002 11:19:06 AM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
Maybe it's time to dismantle our judicial system. Ivory tower lawyers who have spent a total of 12 minutes in the real world do not know what's best for us, including the judges in San Francisco who outlawed the reference to God in the Pledge of Allegiance.
2 posted on 09/23/2002 11:21:23 AM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
A good solution to this problem would be to make it legal to beat the snot out of any pervert caught sticking a camera up a woman's skirt. I would think child molestation charges could be filed against anyone photographing a child's underwear.
3 posted on 09/23/2002 11:24:51 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: hoosierskypilot
Creeps.

TechTV Article on "Upskirting"

ABC News article

4 posted on 09/23/2002 11:24:54 AM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: hoosierskypilot
reasonable expectation of privacy

There's that damned phrase again. It's a totally circular argument.

5 posted on 09/23/2002 11:27:10 AM PDT by Huck
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To: hoosierskypilot
That's what I call skirting the intention of the law. :-)
6 posted on 09/23/2002 11:27:44 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: hoosierskypilot
They're right in that there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public, but they fail to understand the obvious: Up a skirt is not a public place.
7 posted on 09/23/2002 11:28:53 AM PDT by alnick
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To: hoosierskypilot
I think the underside of a woman's skirt is in and of itself a private place where a "reasonable expectation of privacy" exists--or existed back when the courts were sane.

This is freedom minus reason, wisdom, morality and justice. We might as well replace judges with computers because the ability to reason is no longer necessary in deciding cases like this. So-called "freedom" is only free for the perverted. If women don't want to be abused like this then they must not wear dresses or skirts. That's freedom for the pervert and not for the woman. Stupid.

8 posted on 09/23/2002 11:28:57 AM PDT by RAT Patrol
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It is astounding the lengths to which our judicial system will bend over backwards to protect the pervert. Sure the woman was in public, but she was not flashing her crotch to the public. This individual had to use "special means" to reveal her private parts. This the judges totally ignored.

IMO these judges should be removed.

What constitutional right of the perp would have been violated by the recognition of what he did was wrong? In short, NONE.

The woman has a right to expect norms of privacy to be respected. The perp had no right to do what he did. Where's the beef?

There are not-all-that-infrequent examples that our judicial system seems to be waining.

9 posted on 09/23/2002 11:29:55 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: hoosierskypilot
what's the big deal? The lawmakers haven't passed a law to make that illegal. They should do so quickly, so more people don't do so.

You'd prefer activist judges to make up laws on the fly?
10 posted on 09/23/2002 11:30:57 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: Jack Black
LOL!
11 posted on 09/23/2002 11:31:25 AM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: alnick
You beat me to it but EXACTLY! Duh! It's scary that they missed something so obvious.
12 posted on 09/23/2002 11:31:29 AM PDT by RAT Patrol
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but they fail to understand the obvious: Up a skirt is not a public place.

Sounds like they might have met my ex-wife
13 posted on 09/23/2002 11:32:12 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: hoosierskypilot
Well, it's always been legal to videotape women's panties, but not, customarily, while the owner is occupying them...

"I think it's saying to all the college boys, high school kids and random perverts, 'Hey, it's OK,' " Jang said.

I object to being lumped together with college boys and high school kids!

14 posted on 09/23/2002 11:33:53 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: WindMinstrel
While the judges did skirt the issue, they seemed to hem and haw incamera without looking up some basic rights to privacy which they kneeded to do instead of going out on a limb and revealing something about themselves to us which is best left to the imagination.
15 posted on 09/23/2002 11:36:32 AM PDT by breakem
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To: breakem
ROTFL!
16 posted on 09/23/2002 11:40:47 AM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: hoosierskypilot
This ruling from our esteemed Supereme Court, second only to the FLSC in its leftness, was designed to attract more liberals to the State.

Now in addition to every other kind of pinko, snot-nosed, non-working, liberally tatooed, purple hair freeks, we will have most of the "camera on the end of a stick" freekos moving to the upper-left-corner of the country.

Some will applaud the trend - they all vote for our high-tax, accomplish-squat government.

Will someone suggest the most conservative State in the Union; I gotta get outa here!!

17 posted on 09/23/2002 11:44:18 AM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: hoosierskypilot
When we go so far out on a limb to protect as "free speech" every reprehensible and nauseating subject rendered as a graphic or visual object, of course this is the inevitable result.
18 posted on 09/23/2002 11:46:33 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: hoosierskypilot
These pervs will be forever cured if they ever happen to try that with my mother-in-law.

There are a variety of ways you can take that including one that resembles the mythical "Medusa", and they are all correct.

19 posted on 09/23/2002 11:47:26 AM PDT by capt. norm
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To: hoosierskypilot
"Judge Bobbe Bridge wrote"

Refresh my mind, anyone. I saw her name here recently in some other connection. Could it have been one of Bush's judicial nominees? I sure hope not.
20 posted on 09/23/2002 11:50:35 AM PDT by Cicero
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