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Estate-tax debate affects only very rich
Pioneer Press ^ | HANK SHAW

Posted on 09/23/2002 5:46:35 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

Is it about farmers and the owners of small businesses? Or is it about multimillionaires?

The national debate over whether to abolish the tax that the federal government levies on large estates revolves around enduring images of "American Gothic"-style family farms and mom-and-pop shopkeepers struggling to stay in business.

Those images aren't terribly accurate.

But that hasn't prevented Democrats and Republicans from seizing the estate tax as a defining issue in close U.S. Senate races this year, including the duel between Paul Wellstone and Norm Coleman in Minnesota.

Republicans want to abolish the tax on farmers, small-business owners and anyone else whose estate — house, property and other assets — is worth more than $1 million. Democrats want to overhaul the tax, not eliminate it.

Each says its plan better protects family farmers and owners of small businesses.

But the reality is that few farmers and small-business owners pay the tax even now.

The Minnesota Department of Revenue estimates that barely three dozen farms are subject to the state's version of the estate tax, even though the state threshold is $700,000 — $300,000 less than the current federal exemption. Moreover, only 325 of the state's nearly 1.9 million households would pay any federal estate taxes.

"There's a huge amount of misrepresentation on this issue," said economist Neil Harl of Iowa State University. "Farmers losing their farms because of the estate tax is a myth."

To the wealthiest Minnesotans, though, the estate tax is very real. And they're supporting the party and candidate whose position best protects their interests.

A Pioneer Press analysis shows that about three dozen of Minnesota's wealthiest families have contributed nearly three-quarters of a million dollars into the effort to elect former St. Paul Mayor Coleman, a Republican.

And while those wealthy families — most of whom live in Edina or around Lake Minnetonka — tend to back the GOP anyway, all stand to benefit from total abolition of what Coleman calls the "death tax."

REPEAL VS. 'REFORM'

Congress has, in a way, already abolished the estate tax. It is being slowly phased out and is scheduled to disappear entirely in 2010. But in a strange twist, the law is then slated to expire — restoring the tax in 2011.

Coleman and many other Republicans want to make repeal permanent. President Bush has stumped across the country demanding total abolition of the levy, and the issue has become part of the debate throughout the Farm Belt.

Democrats, including incumbent U.S. Sen. Paul Wellstone, want to raise the $1 million threshold to at least $4 million, and add a total exemption for family farmers and small-business owners. They say the tens of millions the tax generates each year is better spent on essential government services, especially since the federal budget surplus has evaporated.

A U.S. Department of Agriculture study notes that total abolition of the estate tax would primarily benefit farms worth more than $5 million. Under the proposal Wellstone supports, the USDA estimates that just 1 percent of farms nationally would be subject to the estate tax — even disregarding a built-in exemption for family farms.

The National Republican Senatorial Committee and the White House, which have both taken extraordinary interest in the Coleman-Wellstone contest, hammer away at the issue daily. The estate tax also has become part of the debate in Iowa, South Dakota and Missouri — all places where the GOP hopes to score points with farmers.

Republicans are suggesting in ads and polls that farmers will lose land unless the "death tax" is totally repealed. They say Wellstone claims to be against the tax yet has voted against abolishing it seven times.

Wellstone spokesman Jim Farrell says the Republicans are misstating the senator's position. While Wellstone has voted against total repeal, he has never said he wants to abolish the tax entirely. "We're never going to support repeal," Wellstone spokes-man Jim Farrell said. "We support reform."

Several Republicans prominent in Minnesota and nationally say they're puzzled by the current emphasis on the issue. Before Congress upped the threshold from $675,000 to $1 million last year, the GOP had a political issue that potentially affected anyone with a nice house and a healthy stock portfolio. Now, they say, the Democrat-engineered vote in June to raise the threshold to $4 million — $8 million under certain circumstances — undercuts the usefulness of the estate tax on the campaign trail.

Even former U.S. Sen. Rudy Boschwitz, a Republican and Wellstone's former nemesis, supports the Democrat position.

"An $8 million exemption? I'd be for that," Boschwitz said. He said that would reduce the need for expensive estate planning for all but a few families. Boschwitz said government should not subsidize the rich. But he would not exempt all family farmers.

Coleman, the National Republican Senatorial Committee and allied groups say the June vote was a political ploy by Democrats.

"That vote was designed for exactly what Wellstone is using it for: It was a fig leaf," said Mike Dubke, president of the business-backed Americans for Job Security, a Virginia-based group attacking Wellstone on the issue.

Coleman called the proposal "a sham vote." He said the exemption for farmers and small-business owners in the Wellstone-backed proposal is too cumbersome and makes families spend money on estate planning that could otherwise be spent building their business. And Coleman dislikes a provision in the law that requires a family member to stay involved in the business or farm for at least five years after inheriting it.

Coleman said he wants to go to Washington and abolish the "death tax." But when pressed, Coleman did say he'd accept less than total repeal.

"Look, I prefer to get rid of this tax entirely," he said. "However, I am open to discussing limiting this to only the super-rich, if there was a way we could structure it that way. But that hasn't been on the table."

WHO'S AFFECTED?

Even if Congress does nothing, only a few hundred Minnesota families are affected by the tax. And if it lifts the threshold to $4 million, that number shrinks to just a few dozen.

Who might still be affected? The Pohlad family, the Bingers of 3M, the Carlson sisters of the Radisson hotel chain, Stanley Hubbard of Hubbard Broadcasting, Glen Taylor of the Timberwolves and Richard Schulze of Best Buy — all are members of the Fortune 400. All are financial supporters of Coleman.

Add longtime GOP stalwarts such as the Pillsburys and the Whitneys, and Coleman's support from Minnesota's elite is near total. Of that group, only Vance Opperman, formerly of West Publishing, and the Dayton family are backing Wellstone. Mark Dayton is Minnesota's junior U.S. senator and is a substantial Democratic moneyman.

All told, federal records show 40 of the state's wealthiest families have contributed at least $713,000 to Coleman, his affiliated political action committees, or the National Republican Senatorial Committee. Most notable are father-and-son commercial developers Sidney and John Goodman of Chaska: Combined, they've contributed at least $81,500 to the Coleman effort.

Coleman says the state's wealthy support him because they dislike the union-friendly Wellstone, not because of Coleman's stance on the estate tax.

"Look at who's supporting Paul Wellstone: the trial lawyers. Is that bad? I don't know," Coleman said. He added that Wellstone's position as a champion for Big Labor has made him a natural target for Minnesota's business community.

Reach Hank Shaw at hshaw@ pioneerpress.com or (651) 228-5257.


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To: wallcrawlr
The rich will set up trusts which will protect their estates from the death tax. The farmer and those who have real holdings exceeding the threshold will be taxed. As real-estate goes up, expect more people to be affected by the death tax.
21 posted on 09/23/2002 7:22:38 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: wallcrawlr
One thing this writer should remember is that people who have this kind of money know how to keep it. There are a lot of people out there who transfer assets to their heirs before they come close to dying, trusting that the money will be there if they need it. This way, they stay well under the limit. There's now living trusts. I've heard of people putting their money in life insurance and using the interest. The list is limitless.

The death tax is plain and simply immoral. My grandmother, who has never had much of anything in her life, said once, that money has been taxed four, five times over; there's no reason to do it again. She's never read the communist manifesto, so I don't think she understands what the real goal was, but she has a point.
22 posted on 09/23/2002 7:24:02 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Grammy
Tell your neighbor to transfer it before he dies. There is a $10,000 gift limit per year with no penalty. It can be done.
23 posted on 09/23/2002 7:25:34 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: wallcrawlr
Poor tax planning? We have our house in a revokable trust, and there are other ways of handling it. But why on earth should we have to pay a lawyer to draw up complicated legal instruments and wills, and risk having the ground cut out from under them at any minute and have to do it all over again, just so some populist politician can pretend that he feels for the poor?

You can bet that these politicians have good lawyers and pay few taxes. How much tax did clinton and gore pay? Who wants to bet that they will pay any estate tax when they go to their just rewards?

24 posted on 09/23/2002 7:27:06 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Show me an argument for a capital gains tax in excess of 10%, and I'll show you a socialist argument.

There I fixed is for you. No sense in quibbling about the amount of theft. Either you believe in it or you don't, the percentage is irrelevant to the fundamental question.

25 posted on 09/23/2002 7:31:21 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: wallcrawlr
The writer of this article is either TOTALLY IGNORANT or a socialist. It makes me sick to think that there are a lot of people out there who think like him.
26 posted on 09/23/2002 7:31:24 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: Desdemona
Excellent recommendation. I believe the figure has been raised to $11,000 and monies can be gifted to offspring and their spouses. If I'm not mistaken, a parent with say, four married daughters, can gift $88,000 annually.
27 posted on 09/23/2002 7:36:41 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: ThomasJefferson
I accept your quibble. But the socialism is even more extreme when the tax rate is patently set above the point of negative returns . . .
28 posted on 09/23/2002 7:36:58 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Okay, so not confiscating their money is the same as subsidizing the rich.

Spot on

The entire argument is that it's OK to steal from certain people. Rich or poor, fat or thin, young or old, it matters not. They are really saying that stealing is OK depending upon who you are stealing from.

Just like the people who justify defrauding their insurance companies because they are rich and they have paid them premiums. Stealing is stealing.

29 posted on 09/23/2002 7:37:53 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
But the socialism is even more extreme when the tax rate is patently set above the point of negative returns . . .

My point is that stealing is immoral, a penny or a million bucks. Those who advocate it at certain levels have fallen into the trap. I know you aren't one of them, but I used your post to demostrate it in case others have bought into it.

We can never live in a moral society as long as we concede the fundamental points. It means we subscribe to situational ethics. It becomes the basic problem, not the details of the plunder.

30 posted on 09/23/2002 7:44:01 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Show me an argument for the estate tax, and I'll show you a socialist argument. Show me an argument for a capital gains tax in excess of 10%, and I'll show you a socialist argument.

Show me an arguement for ANY tax and I'll show you a socialist arguement!

31 posted on 09/23/2002 7:46:20 AM PDT by Don Corleone
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To: ThomasJefferson; TruthShallSetYouFree
Your #29 is spot on TJ.

Boschwitz said government should not subsidize the rich.

This guy ought to change his name to "Bolshevik". Just a few letters here and there.

32 posted on 09/23/2002 7:46:21 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Desdemona
Its $11,000 now. And it could take a while to transfer large amounts that way...
33 posted on 09/23/2002 8:09:09 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: wallcrawlr
I am against the Death Tax for all of the sound reasons cited in this thread. It should also be pointed out that the exemption amounts do not take account of how many slices an estate is divided up into. So if the exemption amount were $1 million and the estate was worth $2 million and yet was being divided up among 20 grandchildren, it would be treated the same way as if it were being passed to a single heir. My point is that there is no way that the 20 grandchildren, each standing to inherit $100,000, could be considered "very rich".
34 posted on 09/23/2002 8:11:54 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; conservatism_IS_compassion
I would rather have property in the hands of individuals than the government, no matter how rich those individuals are. Eventually they will die and their worthless heirs will squander it and it will go into the hands of more enterprising people.

The property of this country is absolutely concentred in a very few hands, having revenues of from half a million of guineas a year downwards. These employ the flower of the country as servants, some of them having as many as 200 domestics, not laboring. They employ also a great number of manufacturers and tradesmen, and lastly the class of laboring husbandmen. But after all there comes the most numerous of all classes, that is, the poor who cannot find work. I asked myself what could be the reason so many should be permitted to beg who are willing to work, in a country where there is a very considerable proportion of uncultivated lands? These lands are undisturbed only for the sake of game. It should seem then that it must be because of the enormous wealth of the proprietors which places them above attention to the increase of their revenues by permitting these lands to be labored. I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable, but the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. The descent of property of every kind therefore to all the children, or to all the brothers and sisters, or other relations in equal degree, is a politic measure and a practicable one. Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labor and live on. If for the encouragement of industry we allow it to be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be provided to those excluded from the appropriation. If we do not, the fundamental right to labor the earth returns to the unemployed. It is too soon yet in our country to say that every man who cannot find employment, but who can find uncultivated land, shall be at liberty to cultivate it, paying a moderate rent. But it is not too soon to provide by every possible means that as few as possible shall be without a little portion of land. The small landholders are the most precious part of a state.

-- Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Oct. 28, 1785 -- PROPERTY AND NATURAL RIGHT

"The collection of taxes... has been as yet only by duties on consumption. As these fall principally on the rich, it is a general desire to make them contribute the whole money we want, if possible. And we have a hope that they will furnish enough for the expenses of government and the interest of our whole public debt, foreign and domestic."

--Thomas Jefferson to Comte de Moustier, 1790. ME 8:110


35 posted on 09/23/2002 8:18:46 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Federal and state governments already own over 40% of the land in this country. Continuation of the estate tax will guarantee that proportion will grow.
36 posted on 09/23/2002 8:22:18 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: wallcrawlr
The fallacy of the estate tax as espoused by Democrats is that sometimes family owned businesses have upwards of 20-30 million in assets, but not ready cash. They just have a very good living off these assets. When the govt. taxes the inheritance, assets have to be turned into cash--i.e. the Dolphins case mentioned; family owned shipping, trucking, newspapers. When these assets are sold off, a great many jobs are lost, as well as a family enterprise where often those who inherit helped to build it up.

It is totally unscrupulous as well as unfair to tax inheritance. The truly rich have such great tax shelters, they really are not affected. OMG, how I loathe socialism.

vaudine
37 posted on 09/23/2002 8:23:29 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Boschwitz said government should not subsidize the rich

Statements like this say sooooo much about a person's understanding of personal freedom and government. How is taking less money from sombody today vs. yesterday "subsidizing". If we don't all pay estate taxes, are not "the rich" then subsidizing the "the poor".

The government truely owns nothing, it can only take from one citizen, and either hold it or give it to another citizen.

38 posted on 09/23/2002 8:33:54 AM PDT by machman
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To: Desdemona
"There is a $10,000 gift limit per year with no penalty. It can be done.

That's 300 acres, so at $10K/acre it will take 300 years to make the transfer.

39 posted on 09/23/2002 8:35:18 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Show me an argument for a capital gains tax in excess of 10%, and I'll show you a socialist argument.

Don't give 'em an inch!

40 posted on 09/23/2002 8:40:11 AM PDT by antidisestablishment
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