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Want to Try Out for College Sports? Forget It
The NY Times ^ | 21 September 2002 | BILL PENNINGTON

Posted on 09/21/2002 5:52:54 PM PDT by SBeck

Want to Try Out for College Sports? Forget It

By BILL PENNINGTON

A gymnast since the first grade, Jason Lindberg had just one goal in his athletic life: to compete for the gymnastics team at the University of Oklahoma. Oklahoma did not offer him a gymnastics scholarship when Lindberg was a high school senior in Tulsa last spring, but he chose to enroll there anyway.

Lindberg figured he would be a freshman walk-on in gymnastics. Celebrated in the movie "Rudy," walk-ons are plucky, unrecruited undergraduates who walk on to practice and make a team filled with elite scholarship athletes. They have long held an almost mythic status in college sports, embodying dreamers and underdogs everywhere.

But Lindberg's arrival on the Oklahoma campus was less storybook. No male walk-ons would be permitted in gymnastics, he was told.

At many colleges nationwide, it has become commonplace in recent years to turn away walk-ons in men's sports like soccer, baseball, tennis, gymnastics, and track and field. As another school year began in the past few weeks, the doors at athletic departments were slamming shut to thousands of men seeking a tryout.

"It's like they're taking away whatever hopes and dreams you might have, which is pretty hard to take," said Lindberg, who is 19. "Because you get into sports believing you'll always at least get the chance to prove yourself."

Male walk-ons have essentially become an unwanted luxury. Most colleges work hard to maintain a roughly equal number of male and female participants — whether on scholarship or not — in athletics. They do so to comply with Title IX, the law prohibiting sex discrimination in federally funded institutions.

But their pursuit of that goal is entangled by budget limitations and the addition of thousands of new teams for women over the past decade. This delicate balancing act is disrupted each year when three to four times more men than women arrive unsolicited for the first week of practices, dozens of coaches and administrators said in interviews.

Athletic department administrators have generally responded to the disparity by telling coaches of women's teams to keep as many walk-ons as they can, even encouraging them to scour campuses for more candidates to fill their rosters. The coaches of many men's teams, meanwhile, have been assigned a reduced, fixed roster limit, a number that is quickly filled by established recruits. Often, there is no room for walk-ons.

At some of the bigger college athletic programs, like Michigan, Ohio State and Texas A&M, where television revenue from big-time sports makes expansive team rosters affordable for both men and women, there are still male walk-ons in certain sports, especially football. But the opposite is true for the coaches of smaller, nonrevenue sports and at hundreds of colleges whose athletic departments are not among the top 50 moneymakers.

At Oklahoma, for example, the men's gymnastics coach, Mark Williams, is permitted a roster of no more than 14. Twelve gymnasts are needed to field a team in a meet. "We used to have 24 or 25 guys," said Williams, whose team won the national championship last season.

Warren Mandrell, the men's track and cross-country coach at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio, said he turned away about 30 students each year.

"I sent one away about four minutes ago," Mandrell said last week. "We used to have 75 or 80 kids out for track and field. Not anymore. My roster limit is 43."

Larry Cochell, the baseball coach at Oklahoma, had a one-day tryout for walk-ons during the first week of classes. Twenty-five students brought gloves and bats to practice. Asked how many had made the team, Cochell, whose roster is fixed at 32, answered, "None."

The Miami of Ohio baseball coach, Tracy Smith, did not have a walk-on make his team for the past six seasons. Last week, during a tryout for 20 students, Smith was surprised to find a prospect, a diamond in the rough.

"But what that kid did was next to impossible, " said Smith, who turned away the rest of those who tried out and will have to cut nine players to reach his roster limit of 32.

At the College of William and Mary, the director of track, Dan Stimson, used to send an invitation to try out to every freshman who listed high school track and field on his application.

Stimson stopped that practice years ago. Last year, he cut 12 men from his team.

Al Albert, the men's soccer coach at William and Mary for the past 32 years, recalled when he had a junior varsity team — something now almost nonexistent at most colleges. Albert said he had excluded 15 to 20 students from his 25-man roster in each of the last seven years.

"How many freshmen, myself included, from years ago would have never learned and benefited from a college sports experience if not given the chance to walk on?" Albert said. "You never know what kind of important life lessons — goal-setting, handling adversity, learning teamwork or testing yourself and your limits — might be acquired as part of a college sport. It's a shame when we can't cultivate that for everybody."

A Grasp Impedes a Reach

John McDonnell has won 36 national titles as the coach of cross-country and track and field at the University of Arkansas. That record may be why he is among the minority of coaches allowed to welcome all comers to his program.

"What they are doing with walk-ons elsewhere is deplorable," McDonnell said. "A student should never be told, `You can't try.' We are supposed to build leaders and instead we're saying, `Don't reach for something.' We have an obesity problem, and we're telling college kids to go back to the dorm, sit on the couch and watch sports on television."

Others involved in college athletics, notably the dozens of female administrators who have ascended to positions of leadership, concede that the landscape has changed, but they see the picture differently.

Restricting some men's teams, even as women's teams are assigned minimums that are usually 5 to 10 players higher than the maximums on similar men's teams, is a reasonable policy called roster management, they say. It has been necessary, they contend, because colleges have chosen to add thousands of women's teams to abide by Title IX. At the same time, especially in the past decade, many athletic budgets have been slashed.

Something has had to give: why not the walk-on who may never actually play in a game?

"I hated the movie `Rudy,' " said Marilyn McNeil, athletic director of Monmouth University in West Long Branch, N.J., referring to the film about perhaps the most famous walk-on of all, Rudy Ruettiger of Notre Dame. Ruettiger endured years as a scrub on the practice squad until, as a senior concluding his career, he was allowed into a game for one play, and he sacked the quarterback.

"If you're not going to get your uniform dirty during games, you shouldn't be on the team," said McNeil, who is also the chairwoman of the National Collegiate Athletic Association's committee on women's athletics. "I believe there is still an opportunity for a walk-on to bloom on our teams, but there has to be a cutoff date for those who just want to hang around. We can't afford it. It's time to tell these students: `You've got other talents. Go write about sports at the school newspaper, join the debate team, or maybe you've got a nice voice and belong on the stage.'

"Some guys just like to be part of the group. Then 10 years later they will talk about being on their college team, when the fact is they never played."

McNeil and others say there are major differences in how men and women approach being walk-ons, and that complicates the roster management issue. Most administrators say it is generally harder to keep female walk-ons on a team once they realize they will play little or not at all in the games. But it is common for men, administrators say, to remain on a team even if they do not dress for the games. Together, this helps create the roster imbalance most colleges are trying to avoid.

"For men, there is a social validation tied to being part of a college team," said Cheryl Marra, the associate athletic director at the University of Wisconsin. "If you're wearing a Rose Bowl ring, it will elicit a response. It is an accomplishment that is understood and respected by people across the desk in a job interview. It doesn't matter if you were player No. 120 on the team and never touched the football in that Rose Bowl. Being part of a championship women's gymnastics team probably doesn't have the same value. At least not yet."

Marra, who has helped create and oversee an intensive program of roster management at Wisconsin since the college was targeted for potential Title IX violations several years ago, has observed other gender differences in her 23 years in college athletics.

"First of all, the disparity in ability between a scholarship player and a walk-on is usually much greater on the women's side than the men's side," Marra said. "So women walk-ons are not usually comfortable. Plus, I see more unrest on women's teams if a sector of the group isn't involved or kept a regular part of the drills. Men don't react that way. They just want into the drill to prove themselves. Women will say: `Look, I see the picture pretty clearly here. I'm not playing. I don't need this.' "

Achieving a Balance

That has not stopped Wisconsin and many other colleges from adopting strategies to involve more women in intercollegiate sports. They have established new sports, like rowing, that are by design inclusive to a large number of athletes and not structured to focus on a starting lineup of only 5 or 10 players. At Wisconsin this year, there are 170 women on two rowing teams, a roster number that for Title IX purposes balances the football, baseball and men's basketball teams combined. At Wisconsin, the women's rowing coaches work the rooms used for freshman orientation and registration with sign-up sheets in hand, lobbying for tryouts.

At U.C.L.A., the recruiting of female walk-ons in search of perfect roster management was so successful, administrators had to use some reins. "You would go by the pool and hear someone say, `There's too many people in my lane during practice,' " Betsy Stephenson, the associate athletic director, said. "And the coaches were just worn out with such large numbers to oversee."

U.C.L.A. recently made adjustments and now fills most of its male and female rosters with scholarship athletes and with athletes who represent another new and increasingly common category in college athletics — a recruited walk-on. Recruited walk-ons are high school athletes who are told they will not receive a scholarship but will be accepted on the team. Some colleges even guarantee their recruited walk-ons a spot on the team roster in writing.

"We can recruit walk-ons that probably would be scholarship athletes at 80 percent of the other schools in the nation," Stephenson said.

The recruited walk-ons are more bad news for true walk-ons, another blow to the notion that any student can tap the coach on the shoulder and ask for a tryout. "That kind of opportunity doesn't exist anymore," said Albert, William and Mary's soccer coach. "It's a vanishing concept."

Many coaches of men's teams lament the lost opportunities and are critical of roster-management policies. But Marra, the associate athletic director at Wisconsin, said she reminded her men's coaches that the alternative was to drop a men's sport or two.

"That's the reality, because the participation numbers for men and women have to be addressed," Marra said. "It's financial and it's Title IX. We can't be all things to everybody. Things change."

"Rudy" she noted, was set in the early 1970's. "Some things aren't the way they used to be," Marra said.

Perseverance Finds Success

But there are always exceptions, and they are frequently on the football team, where the lore of the walk-on remains strongest. College football rosters have traditionally been very deep. The average number for all N.C.A.A. football teams last season was 94 players. With 60 to 85 players on scholarship — and with recruited walk-ons — there is not a lot of opportunity. But with perseverance, at certain colleges, there are holes to permit the stray walk-on to slip through.

Drew Hill, a sprinter hoping to make the track team as a walk-on at William and Mary, was one of the runners cut last year.

"I felt cheated," Hill said. "I'm on academic scholarship. Even the coach said the most I was costing the college was two track shoes a year."

Feeling a void, Hill decided to try out for the football team this year. He made the team, and while Hill has yet to play in a game, he is on the roster of 91 players.

"I wanted to end my athletic career on my terms, not someone else's terms," Hill said. "If I never get into a game, it won't be a failure. I wanted to try. Well, I wanted to try again."


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KEYWORDS: collegesports; titleix; walkons
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To: The Great RJ
This is a different issue. No colleges should not recruit criminals. But this isn't about that. This is whether mens athletics should be eliminated because a small number of radical feminists who don't care about men (lesbians) are politically powerful and have been able to comandeer this issue. Women are not as interested (studies have proven) in participating as men yet there are now more sports and more teams for women in colleges than for men.
21 posted on 09/22/2002 9:36:32 AM PDT by Conservateacher
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To: PhiKapMom
ok. There are some walk-ons here and there. But since the early nineties, when so many teams were eliminated, men came up with the idea to privately raise the funding for various teams so they could still participate. Thu, the entire team was virtually walk-on. Did this work? No! Because the colleges counted heads not dollars. Too many men. Elimnate the team even though it didn't cost the college a dime.
Freepers!! Do some research before you support Title IX. All of this is very well documented. The way title IX was interpreted during the Clinton years absolutely devastated mens sports.
Male college enrollment as a percentage has dropped. Colleges are now 60-40 female and the difference is projected to rise. (perhaps this is why left-right political affiliation are similar)
I guess the men are the worker bees.

22 posted on 09/22/2002 9:54:35 AM PDT by Conservateacher
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To: SBeck
A gymnast since the first grade, Jason Lindberg had just one goal in his athletic life: to compete for the gymnastics team at the University of Oklahoma. Oklahoma did not offer him a gymnastics scholarship when Lindberg was a high school senior in Tulsa last spring, but he chose to enroll there anyway.

Having a dream is nice, but maybe the kid just plain sucks.
Formal tryouts are unnecessary for a "walk on".
All that he has to do is go to the school gymnasium to 'work out".
If he has talent, it would be noticed.

23 posted on 09/22/2002 10:07:50 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: SBeck
"I wanted to end my athletic career on my terms, not someone else's terms," Hill said. "If I never get into a game, it won't be a failure. I wanted to try. Well, I wanted to try again."

"I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am. Let's face it."
--Terry Malloy (Marlon Brando) to his brother, Charley (Rod Steiger), in the back of a cab
This article is just another left-wing hit-piece, a lowering of standards to accommodate the less talented. Whiners who can't accept their own limitations and continue to sob "if I only had a chance". The world is full of 'em.
24 posted on 09/22/2002 10:34:33 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Conservateacher
"But Marra, the associate athletic director at Wisconsin, said she reminded her men's coaches that the alternative was to drop a men's sport or two."

This is the ultimate socialist "zero-sum-game". Male athletics take away from female. Therefore enthusiam and participation in sports by men obviously detracts from participation by women, and must be controlled or eliminated.

Scholorship athletes are recruited in their junior year in high school. If you haven't made your mark by then you will be shut out of elite level college athletics. Those of you who think coaches are omniscient and will know the right 16 year-olds to offer scholarships consider this: How many first round draft picks in (name the professional sport) go on to be big stars with long term careers? How many late round choices are equally successful?

Title IX is socialist nightmare gone awry and needs to be eliminated. This is going to take some time and articles like this one showing the absurdity of post-Title IX athletics are very useful.
25 posted on 09/22/2002 10:35:05 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Willie Green
This article is just another left-wing hit-piece, a lowering of standards to accommodate the less talented. Whiners who can't accept their own limitations and continue to sob "if I only had a chance".

No, you're off by 180 degrees. The college coaches would love to give these kids a chance. It's the clipped-hair mean-faced women who have been promoted into positions of power in the athletic departments who make them say "No!".

Thinking someone working out in a "gym" is going to be noticed and given a scholarship is absurd. That's like saying someone doing his homework in the library might get noticed and offered an academic scholarship.

26 posted on 09/22/2002 10:42:50 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: BigBobber
" Those of you who think coaches are omniscient and will know the right 16 year-olds to offer scholarships consider this: How many first round draft picks in (name the professional sport) go on to be big stars with long term careers? How many late round choices are equally successful?"

Amazing that you should post this to me! I was a first round draft pick of the Dodgers in the seventies. I was "scouted" in the ninth grade as a sixteen year old. Alas, as happens so often, an arm injury ended my dream.

I agree with your assesment of title IX.
27 posted on 09/22/2002 10:50:06 AM PDT by Conservateacher
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To: Willie Green
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
This is about the elimination of thousands of spots on teams that no longer exist.
28 posted on 09/22/2002 10:56:37 AM PDT by Conservateacher
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To: BigBobber
Thinking someone working out in a "gym" is going to be noticed and given a scholarship is absurd. That's like saying someone doing his homework in the library might get noticed and offered an academic scholarship.

In general, spending one's time diligently in the library does get noticed. Perhaps not with a scholarship offer, but with a higher GPA which would lead to greater economic opportunities upon graduation.

It is notable that you're more concerned about scholarship money than actual sport participation. MANY collegiate athletes participate without such compensation. In fact, of the roughly 355K students who participated in NCAA sports last year, over 136K were at Division III schools which do not offer athletic scholarships.

29 posted on 09/22/2002 11:38:28 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Conservateacher
This is about the elimination of thousands of spots on teams that no longer exist.

Nonsense. This is about whiney wannabes who have limited their goals to one specific team at one specific institution. No mention is made whether they actually have talent, only that that's what they "want" and therefore must be "entitled" to. Poppycock.

30 posted on 09/22/2002 12:28:37 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Forget about the kid who wants to be a gymnast. Look beyond the example. The issue is: The feds, mostly during the 90's, interpreted proportionality to be a simple head count. This meant that schools used a one girl athlete for one boy athlete method. This doesn't take into account the fact that a far smaller percentage of women want to "play" compared to men. In fact, college intramural programs are 7 to 1 male, while college enrollment is nearly %60 female. What happened is that all of the women who want to participate, can, and only some of the boys can.
Now, if you want to argue that sports have no place in colleges or should be limited then go for it. But to cut boys to make the proportion equal ignores the social/biological fact that boys want to be more physical as a group.
There has never been a successful lawsuit by a woman contending she wasn't able to participate. This is because schools have created (due to federal pressure) teams for any girl who so wishes. If they can't afford to do this they simply cut the mens teams until they are proportional.
I'm thinking maybe there is too much information flowing your way at one time. Maybe next time I'll shorten to sentence fragments. They not whining



31 posted on 09/22/2002 1:32:24 PM PDT by Conservateacher
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To: Conservateacher
The way title IX was interpreted during the Clinton years absolutely devastated mens sports.

You are absolutely right. Title IX is not the problem, it is the way Title IX is being interpreted by a bunch of damned bureaucrats.

This is what Title IX says:

No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance.

Here's what the damned bureaucrats say that it means:

"Every school must spend as much money on women's sports as they do on men's sports. And if the school can't find enough women to fill the slots, cut slots in men's sports."

There is a good piece on Title IX from the Independent Women's Forum at:

http://www.iwf.org/news/t9book.pdf

32 posted on 09/22/2002 1:59:54 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: johnboy
Ax Murder in Panmunjeom

On the morning of August 18, 1976, a group of United Nations personnel attempted he to trim the branches of a poplar tree in the DMZ that was obstructing the view from a U.N. guard post. North Korean soldiers attempted to block the operation then attacked the U.N. personnel with axes. Capt. Arthur G. Bonifas (honored as Major postmortem), Lieutenant Mark T. Barrett, and 4 Korean soldiers were killed, and as many US soldiers were wounded.

The UNC finally achieved 'Operation Paul Bunyan' and cut the offending poplar tree on August 21, 1976. Since that time, security guards of either side have been prohibited from crossing the Military Demarcation Line to the other side.

33 posted on 09/22/2002 2:03:20 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Willie Green
Sounds good but.....

"The NCAA schools are separated into three divisions. Schools at the Division I level offer the most competitive atmosphere, the most extensive recruiting and the most
athletic scholarships. Ninety-five percent of the gains for female athletes were seen at the Division I level. At the Division III level where there are no athletic scholarships andstudent athletes play purely for the love of the game, the effect has been disastrous. The five-year span of this study showed that only 178 female athletic opportunities were added while male opportunities were reduced by over 9,000 in Division III—20 males dumped for every female added."
34 posted on 09/23/2002 9:50:25 AM PDT by Conservateacher
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To: Conservateacher
At the Division III level where there are no athletic scholarships andstudent athletes play purely for the love of the game, the effect has been disastrous. The five-year span of this study showed that only 178 female athletic opportunities were added while male opportunities were reduced by over 9,000 in Division III—20 males dumped for every female added."

If true, I would attribute the trend more to simple economics than anything Title IX has precipitated. At smaller Division III schools, football/basketball programs are not the overwheming source of funding for atheletic programs that they are in Division I. And due to the ever-ingcreasing litigous nature of our society, medical liablity insurance becomes a major factor. Due to budget constraints, extra-curricular activities such as sports programs are curtailed. It is not dissimilar to the reason many public swimming pools have removed their diving boards.

35 posted on 09/23/2002 11:36:22 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Conservateacher; BigBobber
Besides, walk-ons are not an endangered species at the big schools as this article article suggests:

Monday, Sept. 23, 2002

Walk-ons prove worthy to PSU

By Dustin Dopirak
Collegian Staff Writer

For Penn State safety Paul Cronin and cornerback Rich Gardner, boatloads of scholarship offers did not come with high school graduation. However, both decided that being awarded with a scholarship at Div. I-AA or II wouldn't be as satisfying as taking a chance at proving themselves at a major program as walk-ons.

Both of them did so, and in the Penn State football team's past two games, each experienced virtually the same type of shining moment.

Gardner, a redshirt junior, had his last week against Nebraska when he picked off a pass from Cornhusker quarterback Jammal Lord and took it back 42 yards for a third-quarter touchdown and gave the Lions a 26-7 lead and put the Huskers on the ropes.

It was his first ever interception, and he did it in style.

This week, Cronin, a redshirt freshman, had the same opportunity.

In his first start as a Nittany Lion, he had to play a crucial part in defending the air-it-out Lousiana Tech offense, and he and the rest of the Lions secondary struggled early.

However, Cronin started to redeem himself in the second quarter when he pounced on Bulldogs wide receiver Ahmad Harris, stopping him for a loss of seven yards on a reverse. In the third came his moment of glory.

Cronin stepped in front of one of the slew of screen passes Louisiana Tech quarterback Luke McCown threw on the day and picked it off.

He had nothing but green in front of him for 34 yards, and ran the ball to pay dirt for his first career touchdown.

The score gave the Lions a 35-17 lead and swung whatever momentum the Lions didn't already have over to their side. The Bulldogs would never recover, getting just two first downs the rest of the game.

"It was one of those things," Cronin said. "The quarterback, I saw him look it right at it. I just broke when I thought he was going to pass it, he threw it right there, and I was in the right place at the right time."

Penn State football coach Joe Paterno was thrilled to see his young defensive back emerge.

"We liked Cronin in high school we just didn't have a grant for him," he said. "We had him in camp and liked Cronin. He is going to be a good player. If we had a grant we would have given it to him."

The rest of the Lions were also happy to see Cronin's moment in the sun, but none more so than Gardner, who unlike Cronin has since earned a scholarship.

"I congratulated Cronin a lot," Gardner said. "I told him to continue to work hard. It's going to be a hard road. He's still got a few more years left. I've been here along with him, so I know. I keep getting at him and let him know to stick with it. Things might not work out for him, but he's got to stick with it."

Gardner followed up his performance against Nebraska, which also included two pass deflections and five tackles, by coming up with a few more big plays against the Bulldogs.

Though he was playing with a cast on his hand to protect a dislocated thumb, he twice kept the Bulldogs out of the end zone on short passes near the goalline.

In the first quarter he tipped a third-down and goal pass meant for Bulldog wide receiver D.J. Curry who was standing in the end zone. Curry had to come out of the end zone to catch the tipped pass and was forced out of bounds at the one for no gain. This forced the Bulldogs to kick a field goal.

On the next drive, Gardner deflected a pass on third and goal from the two intended for wideout Tramissian Davis, forcing the Bulldogs to try another field goal, which kicker Josh Scobee missed.

"I think they picked on me a little bit," Gardner said. "But hey, I'm up to the challenge, if you come at me, I'm going to make sure you've got to work for it."

There are other walk-ons on Penn State's football team.
I'm not sure how many.
But I believe that their starting center was a true walk-on freshman two years ago.
Graduations and injuries led to a weak offensive line the past two years.
Despite dismal team performance, it was a joy to watch the kid fill in as a starter as a walk-on freshman!
(This would be his junior year.)
Good coaches don't ignore walk-ons, IF they have the talent.
36 posted on 09/23/2002 12:33:35 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Teacher317
"The UNC finally achieved 'Operation Paul Bunyan' and cut the offending poplar tree on August 21, 1976."

it is disgraceful of me that i cannot remember even the basic facts about a shameful incident in which american soldiers were wounded and killed.

it was kind of you to go to the trouble to try to make sure that others don't repeat my error.

37 posted on 09/23/2002 6:40:47 PM PDT by johnboy
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To: Willie Green
Pssst, Willie


Are you actually a member of a womens college crew team? Go ahead, tell me. I won't tell anyone!!!
A MINO. It's ok we are very tolerant her - I mean here.
38 posted on 09/23/2002 9:42:01 PM PDT by Conservateacher
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To: Conservateacher
Are you actually a member of a womens college crew team?

No, but it sounds like a sport that could occasionally pique my interest as a spectator.
Not quite as interesting as bikini mud wrestling or wet T-shirt contests,
But I can see where rowing would help the young ladies work up a healthy sweat.

39 posted on 09/23/2002 9:52:52 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: johnboy
No disgrace. I had to look it up, because I had no idea what you were talking about.

(Actually, I didn't even know the details of the Cuban Missile Crisis until I was in my twenties, when I helped a college friend with a paper... my schools should be ashamed.)

40 posted on 09/24/2002 7:11:52 AM PDT by Teacher317
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