Posted on 09/21/2002 2:56:37 PM PDT by USA21
Edited on 07/09/2004 12:50:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Despite more than a half-century free of nuclear war, a majority of experts assembled at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory on Thursday concluded a nuclear or radiological attack is inevitable over the next 50 years, if not this decade.
"The consequence will be worldwide horror that will result in less reliance on nuclear weapons," suggested former National Security Council senior director Jane Wales, president of the World Affairs Council in San Francisco.
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I like what you said.
"Independance Day?"
Arabs have oil. Others need it. The Arabs can buy what they want including nukes from some Russian rogues. These get passed along to the Al Qaeda folks or somebody without direct ties to Arab leaders, smuggled into Israel on the back of a teenager and BLAMMO. You know they'd do it...
There may be one or even several fully armed nuclear weapons controlled by Moslem or Al Queda forces. In a battlefield scenario, honor, and respect for the destructive power of war is absorbed by the participants. If they think that they can sit back on lawn chairs and just point their fingers and bomb the world then they will never prove their honor, they will never recover their lost dignity, and they will not ascend to "manhood" or "adulthood".
A premptive nuclear strike is effeminate. The end result is that we never got into the enemy's space, we never locked horns, and our eyes never met. The end result is great devestation with no honor. No resentments were vanquished, and no vendetta's were settled.
The purpose of war is to step onto a battlefield with our hated enemy and suffer bloody war together. It is on that battlefield that we prove ourselves unworthy of their hate. Perhaps they say, "they fight like cowards, their men are faggots, they sleep with their mother's, or they have no honor." It all depends on whatever cultural paradigm of honor is true for those people.
American honor is powerful. We must convey this to our enemies who have not grasped the honor code that exists around nuclear weapons. The war waged is of ideas and paradigms regarding honor. That honor is not conveyed to the rest of the world, perhaps because we were slack in other areas. Especially chivalry, and fidelity. We will see that we learn difficult lessons from war.
war is not golf!
Good writing. Summarise the entire article in one tight statement.
How can you return someone to where they already exist?
One consequence is that it will cause people to become more serious about control The only serious control is to return the looney islamic world to the Dark Ages: No modern convieniences, no electricity, no industry, no roads, no cars, no trucks, no planes, no guns, no modern tools, no running water, no schools, no books, except the Quran. Return them to their nomadic roots: Camels, frankinsense, and the oasis. Same with the Chinese if they decide to get froggy with us. And with Europe. And anyone else who wants to challenge American supremacy. We WILL get to the stars and realize mankind's destiny, whether the rest of the world wants to do it or not.
I could write hundred of pages to show that if the US disappeared tomorrow, the world would not finish for that reason,but it's Sunday morning and nonetheless I have to study,later (guess, "thermodynamics of reactors" is a matter of study even outside the US!) It's sad to see how a great society like the America's one is rotten by people that believe in their "supremacy" because they like to invest in the militar industry (while infrastructures are a mess, but you can't realize it since probably you haven't ever put the nose outside your country village). Poor people that are simply unaware of the rest of the world.
Well, Jordi, I don't know where you are from (I'll assume somewhere in Europe), but I was speaking of our military supremacy and nothing else.
What, you thought I was talking about racial supremacy? Sorry, pal, Germans and Frenchmen and Arabs seem to have the market nearly cornered in that kind of thinking.
As far as us liking "to invest in militar [sic] industry," it is true that we rather uniquely took our NATO and SEATO commitments seriously and spent heavily on defense so that we could meet those obligations, while many (not all, mind you) of our so-called allies stood back and let us carry the heavy load both economically and militarily. Meanwhile, these putative friends spent lavishly on their cherished welfare states, and yes, on some flashy infrastructure here and there as well (but the lion's share of it was and is crap . . . Yes, I've been to Europe and I have NO idea why we bothered rebuilding it after WWII).
I wonder how the vaunted infrastructure (a bullet train? . . . Gimme a break) of Europe and Japan would look if either had 4,000 miles of it from coast-to-coast to keep up, whilst defending nearly single-handedly a bunch of cowardly freeloaders from the menace of Sino-Soviet totalitarianism for 50 years? Not to mention the cost to us of regularly kicking some of those "friends'" butts each time they decided to deliriously goose-step off toward the nearest border to a symphony of martial music played by the latest insane, mustached lunatic they'd fallen in love with, and who's barking something in their ear about their racial superiority and purity?
Go*****ed gutless cowards, in Europe at least (I'm not counting Britain among them), NEVER appreciated democracy, or liberty, and certainly wouldn't fight -- much less die -- defending it. Our Cold War alliance with them was a big farce. Thank God we never had to rely on them to come to our defense. They stabbed us in the back at every opportunity for, as far as one can tell, being fool enough to save their bacon repeatedly in the last century. They appeased every tyrant, every communist regime, every murdering arab barbarian who raised his head, and shrieked like frightened little schoolgirls each time we proposed to stand up to the thugs.
Yeah, sure, you'll get to the stars, Jordi -- in about a million years. A thousand steps forward, 999 back. So go off and study the thermodynamics of reactors, a subject we gave to you, while enjoying your freedoms, which America secured for you at great expense to her in blood and money (but nonetheless which you do not appreciate, and would NEVER defend), and your prosperity, which we handed you on a silver platter, while amusing yourself on the internet (another gift from us).
I think we won't spend another dime on your defense. So go ahead, do your thing. Knock yourself out. Just don't do anything stupid . . . Like join with the Arabs. We do have military supremacy. We are going to keep it. And we will defend ourselves. Unlike you, I think.
In my above post I describe the type of war I like to fight. It is a European paradigm, and it is the oldest one, and ultimately they are the human equations which dictate wars begining and end. The question you have to ask is when do we crawl into the protective frog suits. I'll tell you what. You may not feel the heat from the flames, but that is only because war is efficient for the sake of those who do! When the infra-red/infra-green intelligencia fails to download to the VR in the protective headgear what is the frogman going to do. Those are seven foot tall leatherbound mooslims and what they really want to know if the frogman bleeds red blood! Frankly, jig, I have to wonder myself what color is the frogman's blood!
As I reflect on all the coddling I recieved as a child, which made me a better physicist, it was the raw suffering that made me a man. No frogman could ever convince me that Americans are willing to die for their freedom, and on the University Campus I see a lot of really scared boys. I think they'd go off to war in tomorrow's fervor, but not without nightvision goggles, and thermo retardant frogsuit. In fact, let's go play nintendo.
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