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BISHOPS BETRAINING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
World Net Daily ^ | June 14, 2002 | Mary Jo Anderson

Posted on 09/20/2002 10:12:21 AM PDT by redhead

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To: HangWithMe
"... The priest patted me on the head and told me not to worry about it. ...

At least he only patted you on your head....

21 posted on 09/20/2002 11:28:25 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: redhead
Thanks for the repost. I missed it before. It is a great article.

But the battle has been lost. The new Los Angeles cathedral is the monument to their victory. The Church as a prison; as a mere adjunct to the welfare/police state....

22 posted on 09/20/2002 11:37:12 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
The new Los Angeles cathedral is the monument to their victory.

That monstrosity is but one battle in a war. Just because the megalomaniac running Los Angeles into the ground got away with it, is no reason to totally despair.
23 posted on 09/20/2002 11:41:56 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: redhead
Yes, but still terrifying for the Faithful. I wonder what the FAITHFUL ones would do if this information were to be made very public and proved?

What the author maintains accounts as well as any explanation for what are -- in the main -- observable facts. When you say "the Faithful," do you mean what some would call "the little ones" -- those Catholics of whatever age who have a simple faith and perhaps not too much sophistication about history, philosophy, etc.?

Frankly, I wouldn't worry too much. They're unlikely to read this or hear about it, and if they did, they wouldn't get too worked up about it -- IMHO.

In other words, I really think those who hear the hypothesis and grasp the implications will have the inner resources to deal with it. Those who don't have the resources will likely never know.

24 posted on 09/20/2002 11:50:42 AM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz
To be honest, I know little about the Assemblies of God, and part of what I didn't know is that it's international. Whether the author was aware of that or not, I'm sure her main point is the sheer size and visibility of the Catholic Church.

AofG is normally counted in with the evangelicals I think. We're pentecostal. Had our convention a while back near here and had people from 6 continents and over 150 countries. Very strong missions program. Most churches growing strongly.

I agree on the size and visibility of the RCC. It is the 800 lb gorilla on the block. I just wanted everyone to be aware that there are other international churches.

GSA(P)

25 posted on 09/20/2002 11:55:03 AM PDT by John O
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To: redhead
What can WE do to prevent it?

Pray.

xsive_guy
26 posted on 09/20/2002 11:58:23 AM PDT by xsive_guy
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
But the battle has been lost.

I would tend to agree were it not that the Holy Spirit is alive and well and very much at work. I trust the Holy Spirit to carry the Church through whatever. Under the Holy Spirit's guidance the Church has survived bad popes, bad bishops, bad priests, heresy, schism and apostasy. There is nothing new in all of this, and no cause for despair. My job is to support the good work with my prayers and my own quest for holiness, however inadequate. Trust God to know His job, and do it regardless of human obstructionism, perversion, blindness and just plain sin.

27 posted on 09/20/2002 12:15:12 PM PDT by tlrugit
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To: maryz
"When you say "the Faithful," do you mean what some would call "the little ones" -- those Catholics of whatever age who have a simple faith and perhaps not too much sophistication about history, philosophy, etc.?"

No. By FAITHFUL, I mean those in Catholics in America who remain faothful to the ROMAN Catholic Church. Lots of American Catholics are really Catholic in name only, as we well know. These people will probably follow their dissenting priests and bishops right OUT of the Roman Catholic Church and into the "American Catholic Church." A "simple" faith is not what is needed now. We must "be wise as serpents and innocent as doves." Whatever knowledge we have must be used to help us keep the wreckovators, infiltrators, and underminers from being successful.

28 posted on 09/20/2002 12:17:22 PM PDT by redhead
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To: redhead
"Among the strangest things that I saw, were long processions of bishops. Their thoughts and utterances were made known to me through images issuing from their mouths. Their faults towards religion were shown by external deformities. A few had only a body, with a dark cloud of fog instead of a head. Others had only a head, their bodies and hearts were like thick vapors. Some were lame; others were paralytics; others were asleep or staggering.

"I saw what I believe to be nearly all the bishops of the world, but only a small number were perfectly sound. I also saw the Holy Father-God fearing and prayerful. Nothing left to be desired in his appearance, but he was weakened by old age and by much suffering. His head was lolling from side to side, and it dropped to his chest as if he were falling asleep. He often fainted and seemed to be dying. But when he was praying, he was often comforted by apparitions from Heaven. Then, his head was erect, but as soon as it dropped again onto his chest, I saw a number of people looking quickly right and left, that is, in the direction of the world.

"Then I saw that everything pertaining to Protestantism was gradually gaining the upper hand, and the Catholic religion fell into complete decadence. Most priests were lured by the glittering but false knowledge of young school-teachers, and they all contributed to the work of destruction.

"In those days, Faith will fall very low, and it will be preserved in some places only, in a few cottages and in a few families which God has protected from disasters and wars."

Vision of Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich June 1, 1821

29 posted on 09/20/2002 12:26:37 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: redhead
I like this one too:

I saw that many pastors allowed themselves to be taken up with the ideas that were dangerous to the Church. They were building a great, strange, and extravagant Church. Everyone was to be admitted in it in order to be united and have equal rights: Evangelicals, Catholics, sects of every description. Such was to be the new Church....But God had other designs."

Vision of Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich April 22, 1823

30 posted on 09/20/2002 12:35:02 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: redhead; patent; Siobhan; sitetest; JMJ333; narses; Catholicguy; *Catholic_list; Notwithstanding; ..
Very good article...pinging (again)...
31 posted on 09/20/2002 12:36:49 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: tlrugit
"I would tend to agree were it not that the Holy Spirit is alive and well and very much at work. I trust the Holy Spirit to carry the Church through whatever. Under the Holy Spirit's guidance the Church has survived bad popes, bad bishops, bad priests, heresy, schism and apostasy. There is nothing new in all of this, and no cause for despair. My job is to support the good work with my prayers and my own quest for holiness, however inadequate. Trust God to know His job, and do it regardless of human obstructionism, perversion, blindness and just plain sin."

Yes, I agree. We need to remember, even when things look the most discouraging, that God the Father is still on His throne, and the Power of His Holy Spirit is still with the Church. The old saying, "There are no new sins, but there are lots of new SINNERS" really is true. God is not shocked by sinful men, even though I am sure He is grieved by our stubborness and persistence in evil. But remember the Four Marks of the Church. She is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. To me, this means she is perfect and cannot teach error. But she is also made up of sinners. We, as true and faithful believers, are called to support her in prayer every day. We pray our intention at our daily rosary thus:" At our home, we pray for the restoration of Holy Mother Church and her liturgy; and for the purification of the priesthood."

32 posted on 09/20/2002 12:42:25 PM PDT by redhead
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
At least he only patted you on your head....
Touché
33 posted on 09/20/2002 12:53:00 PM PDT by Marianne
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Thank you for those quotes. I really have to get a book of her writings. Do you have any suggestions?
34 posted on 09/20/2002 1:18:11 PM PDT by ELS
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To: Polycarp
But why?

To silence the lone international voice for morality, that's why. Hate the Catholic Church or love it, it must be admitted that it publicly teaches and preaches against the totalitarian, utilitarian worldview. The Catholic Church insists on the dignity and value of every person, born and unborn.

This article explains so much of the insanity I've seen in the Church during my lifetime.

We're taking our country back from the Bolsheviks. It's time to take back our Church too.

35 posted on 09/20/2002 1:23:02 PM PDT by Barnacle
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To: redhead; Romulus; eastsider
We need to balance the VOTF groups with the Faithful Voice,or a group with similar aims.We need a travelling spokesmen,who is able to attract a lot of Catholics to come and listen to him as he goes from city to city.We need to have a simple,clear list of talking points with which to to hammer away at fellow Catholics,catholics and non-Cathlics who are interested in saving Christianity and our country.

First talking point should be the importance of Peter and the Papacy and our union with them.Second should be teach truth in accord with the Catholic Catechism.Third,live the moral teachings of the Church.Fourth,uphold the official documents of the Pope and his Sacred Congregations.Fifth,dismantle and disband the USCCB.In my estimatiion the only function they serve is to be divisive middle men between the Catholic Church and Christ's people on earth,including many of their orthodox brother Bishops and to provide a paycheck to their "special friends" who they have appointed to positions that only further confuse and compound problems.

Remember that poignant passage in scripture when Christ asks the twelve if they were going to leave him too. And,Peter responds,"Where else would we go,Lord?" That's key and the enemy knows it.

Romulus and eastsider,how are we doing?

36 posted on 09/20/2002 1:39:42 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: ELS
Thank you, yes I have some info for you.

TAN books and publishers carries a few books. The one I took the quotes from was "Catholic Prophecy The Coming Chastisement" by Yves Dupont.

And they also have a two volume set of books entitled: "The Life Of Anne Catherine Emmerich" By Rev. Carl Schmoger These books have all her visions, prophecies and life story-her sufferings, stigmata etc. Great books.

Their website is: www.tanbooks.com/index.htm

37 posted on 09/20/2002 1:41:48 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Thanks. I guess it's time to place another order with Tan Books.
38 posted on 09/20/2002 1:51:24 PM PDT by ELS
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
I beg your pardon.I had just decided that Mahoney's monument to victory has turned to ashes.I think the "opening celebration" was designed to herald in that new Amchurch with tributes and accolades to the new reigning "Prince".I think that instead,it has been the butt of a lof of nasty jokes and comments and has served nothing so well as to show how barren,crass and ugly this whole new concept of church is.I believe the opening was the funeral of the new church.I think they may realize it too.

May it long stand as a memorial to what happens when man tries to be god,or just as pleasant to think about,may it stand until an earthquake causes it to tumble down.Some night when no one is in it.Now if that isn't full of faith,hope and charity.

39 posted on 09/20/2002 1:55:23 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci; Desdemona; saradippity; redhead
Not trying to be thick, but what's wrong with the new cathedral in LA? I haven't been there, nor have I seen many pictures.

Much obliged,
c's_s

40 posted on 09/20/2002 2:10:57 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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