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Illegal Immigrants Say They Remodeled Basement for Congressman Known as Immigration Critic
Associated Press ^ | September 19, 2002 | Jon Sarche

Posted on 09/19/2002 3:34:04 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29

DENVER (AP) - A congressman who has been demanding tighter immigration controls is defending himself against allegations that illegal immigrants remodeled his basement. Two employees of a contracting company say they and other illegal immigrants from Latin America helped install a home entertainment center and a bedroom in the Littleton home of Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., The Denver Post reported Thursday.

Last month, after the Post wrote about a young illegal immigrant's struggle to pay for college, Tancredo reported the teen and his family to the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

On Thursday, Tancredo said that when the remodeling was done last fall, he never asked about the workers' immigration status.

Even if the workers were in the country illegally, "what is my responsibility at this point in time?" Tancredo said in a telephone interview from Washington. "I go to dinner at restaurants and probably have come into contact with people who are here illegally. I do not ask, of course. It is actually illegal and you can be sued."

The contractor, Creative Drywall Designs, and subcontractor Denver Audio Design said all their employees are in the country legally.

The newspaper said it would not identify the workers because they could get in trouble with INS.

Tancredo said enemies he made in lambasting the INS and in seeking strict enforcement of immigration laws are trying to discredit him.

"The fact is that I am a controversial figure," he said. "I have rankled the feathers of people who are immigration support groups and illegal immigrants themselves, so I am not surprised that somebody might make this accusation to embarrass me."

Tancredo called the INS after reading about honor student Jesus Apodaca and his family, illegal immigrants from Mexico who live in Denver. The congressman said INS officials told him they did not have the resources to try to take the family into custody.

Tancredo has pushed for use of troops to guard the borders.

"It is the government's responsibility to enforce our immigration laws, and if the INS were doing its job, no illegal immigrant would be available to violate our labor laws," Tancredo said in the Post.


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To: Poohbah
How do you think we're gonna do it Iraq, L.N.?

Answering a question with another question is NOT an answer. Don't chicken out.

81 posted on 09/19/2002 5:34:47 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: lelio
But it is 'fair' for the congressman to try and spend the least amount of money by going with a company that hirers illegals and thus spends less on their labor costs. Sounds like the congressman just doesn't like the looks of illegals, but when they are behind the scenes, like doing the dishes at a restaurant, then they are okay.

Actually, Congressman Tancredo placed his trust in the contractor, Creative Drywall Designs and the contractor placed their trust on the subcontractor, Denver Audio Design that they were following the employment laws of Colorado and the United States.

When the illegal aliens applied for employment, they did not disclosure their true immigration status, and that is where the trouble started.

82 posted on 09/19/2002 5:35:34 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: Tancredo Fan
Delete it. We should have done it in 1848.

That answer is dumber than answering the question with another question. Think you can come up with something viable?

83 posted on 09/19/2002 5:36:16 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: JustAnAmerican
but by the same token its not very hard to see if the SSN is real and who it belongs to

Most counterfeit SSN, have a legitimate number on them, and until recently the SSA, would not inform employers if the numbers were correct or belong to the person who presented it.

84 posted on 09/19/2002 5:36:37 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Poohbah
", but I've caught some fakes"

What kid of fakes? As in non-existent, belonging to deceased, what?

Do they recycle SS#? After death? I have heard the way a lot of people get phony id is to find someone who died as a child and was the same sex and approximately the same age and use their name and either their SS# or get a number if they did not have one.

I absolutely am no mathematician, but what are the total number of SS#'s that could be 'made' from 9 numbers? Has anyone ever done the calculation?

85 posted on 09/19/2002 5:37:00 PM PDT by nanny
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To: L.N. Smithee
What state do you live in? Are you in Colorado? I know that in California, the Dems are always trying to sneak laws in the code that encourage illegals to come, settle, receive benefits from the state, and vote for them. Do you know for a certainty that Tancredo is being disingenuous?

I live in California. I've had to make sure that contract employees were properly cleared for work on US Navy bases. (The incident last year with the illegals working on the submarine in drydock was an example of NOT doing basic homework.)

He said it's "illegal" for him to ask ANYTHING about the nationality of employees. That is strictly true--but it is also completely irrelevant. You can ask about the legal status of all contractor employees who will be working on your task.

If thou art someone like Tancredo, it's incumbent on thee to make sure thy posterior is covered.

86 posted on 09/19/2002 5:39:27 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: L.N. Smithee
Build an electric fence like Israel is doing. Catch and toss these illegals over to the other side. The rest will take care of itself. I do believe that Fox should be told to stop encouraging this or watch the skies above his abode, however. This guy is out of control.
87 posted on 09/19/2002 5:41:08 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Marine Inspector
"belong to the person who presented it."

Will they do that now? Just what questions do you ask - because I can just see someone telling me No, they won't give it to me.

I would like them to know that I know the law regarding this.

88 posted on 09/19/2002 5:42:29 PM PDT by nanny
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To: nanny
What kid of fakes? As in non-existent, belonging to deceased, what?

Not issued numbers. Some offices never issue anything close to their maximum number, others habve multiple numbers.

Do they recycle SS#? After death? I have heard the way a lot of people get phony id is to find someone who died as a child and was the same sex and approximately the same age and use their name and either their SS# or get a number if they did not have one.

Most illegals are not that sophisticated. Also, birth and death records are getting better-correlated. It worked better in the 1970s, before everything was computerized.

I absolutely am no mathematician, but what are the total number of SS#'s that could be 'made' from 9 numbers? Has anyone ever done the calculation?

There can be 1,000,000,000 SSNs.

89 posted on 09/19/2002 5:42:47 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Tancredo Fan
Build an electric fence like Israel is doing.

Don't forget to build a LOT of powerplants for the fence. And hope the illegals don't hire an electrician.

90 posted on 09/19/2002 5:43:47 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: L.N. Smithee
Answering a question with another question is NOT an answer. Don't chicken out.

Fine, I'll spell it out for the guy who can't figure it out unassisted.

Invade and conquer Mexico. Mold its governing institutions into something more congenial over the next generation or two. The problem will be solved.

91 posted on 09/19/2002 5:45:20 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah; Tancredo Fan
Don't forget to build a LOT of powerplants for the fence. And hope the illegals don't hire an electrician.

Both of you have it all wrong!!!

All you have to do is set up a few watchtowers... string up some barbed wire fences, which could be just a single strand of barbed wire... and contract out 20 or 30 military contractors (which could very well hire illegal aliens) to put in land mines.

92 posted on 09/19/2002 5:52:34 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: nanny
LOL! Well, the roofing company we used had only Anglos, so I was fairly certain they were honest. The landscapers we used I checked with the state to see if there had been any complaints.

My point is not that Tancredo was necessarily reponsible, but that he didn't bother to check. Checking would have allowed him to choose another company and avoid embarassment.

93 posted on 09/19/2002 5:53:12 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: lelio
Sounds like the congressman just doesn't like the looks of illegals, but when they are behind the scenes, like doing the dishes at a restaurant, then they are okay.

So what is the Congressman supposed to do? Ask the owner of a restaurant if he has any illegal aliens working in the restaurant's kitchen before making the decision to dine at that particular restaurant? And do you honestly think that a restaurant owner would admit to violating immigration laws by stating that he has illegal alien employees working for him?

94 posted on 09/19/2002 5:53:28 PM PDT by usadave
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To: Poohbah
Invade and conquer Mexico. Mold its governing institutions into something more congenial over the next generation or two. The problem will be solved.

Thanks for proving what kind of lunatic you need to be to bash Tancredo from the right.

95 posted on 09/19/2002 5:54:01 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
If that is true, then the employer who brought them there should receive very high fines and perhaps jail time.
The illegal workers should be thrown over the border.
96 posted on 09/19/2002 5:56:22 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: Go Gordon
Hey, Mr. Also Clueless, if he is so upset about illegals and was intending to make an issue of it in the election, then he should have gotten the assurances IN WRITING. Then there would be no issue.

Tancredo was careless and naive about this.

97 posted on 09/19/2002 6:04:24 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
It is the Congressman's responsibility to check with the contractor to make sure all workers are documented, particularly when he is making such a stink about this issue. If he did not, he was quite foolish.

Companies and contractors would never lie about the legal status of their employees just to get your business, now would they? No, because we all know that business owners are just sweet little angels who couldn't lie even if their lives depended on it. Right?

So the next time I'm planning to hire a contractor, I'll ask him to show me all of the hiring documentation for every employee on his company's payroll so that I can have an document expert go over all of the documents to verify their legality and authenticity.

98 posted on 09/19/2002 6:13:09 PM PDT by usadave
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To: Miss Marple
He got his hand caught in a little bit of a cookie jar - particularly after he went after that honors student in a particularly heavy-handed fashion. It might smell of gotcha politics, but Tancredo should have been more careful. I wonder if he might be open to being a little more civil about this issue...
99 posted on 09/19/2002 6:14:19 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: Frohickey
I have no objection to using any method that works to remove illegals and keep them out. Your plan sounds just fine.


100 posted on 09/19/2002 6:15:23 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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