[MJY1288]

You first :-)

[Mr. Mojo]

concise

WMD in the hands of a madman. ...Let's freakin' roll.

[Hunble]

R E V E N G E

Second reason is rather simple. If we do not win this war, every Jew in Israel will be murdered.

[Rokke]

After we bury Saddam we will have thousands of square miles of good beach sand in which we can drop all the Clymers who said they would leave the country if Bush was elected. Bab's and Baldwin can preach politics to camel herds.

[onedoug]

Evil must be confronted by Good, and fought. War is awful.
Yet the well catalogued evils of islamo-fascism are worse.
Afghanistan is the first visible phase of this war. Iraq is the second.
Our enemies have the opportunity of democratizing from the third.

[LandofLincoln]

For the same reason that we should have taken out Hitler in 1941. His grand scheme is to wipe out a mass amount of people. The jews will go first, and then any Arabian government that does not fall in line. Then it will be western Europe, and then it will be the USA.

My question is when should we do it? Lest we wait until those French girls in the blue berets are begging for us to help. I say we wait until Saddam has taken out the French, and then we stop him.

I do not think that Saddam has nuclear weapons, but God help us when he does.

[Rokke]

Wait a minute....I remember you. You were the guy who started a thread like this asking everyone to list their favorite movies of all time. Then you proceeded to slam anyone who listed a movie you didn't like. I can see where this thread is going.

[MJY1288]

Personally, I think Saddam Hussain should of been removed from power the first time he violated the cease fire treaty he signed. George W. Bush said early on that Saddam was going to comply with the agreements he signed and the U.N. Resolutions or he would pay a price. Well he had his chances to comply and it's time to make the case for war and remove Saddam Hussain from power and give the Iraqi people a constitution and a bill of rights, like we did Japan and Germany after WWII.

I believe the President has to make the case and present the evidence to the American people before he launches this campaign. I believe he will and I believe after Saddam is removed, Iran will see the a revolution and beg for our help to remove the finatical clerics from power.

From everything I have seen and heard so far, I believe we must remove Saddam Hussain and his entire regime from power by whatever means neccessary. I believe our Commander-in-Chief will make the right decisions

[AM2000]

I am still undecided. I am inclined to oppose it, not because I love Saddam, but because I am not convinced he had anything to do with 9/11. At this time, we need to be concentrating our energies on al qaeda. That means tightening the screws on the Saudi royals, Musharraf, Mubarak, Yemen.. but not Iraq.

But then there's the WMD issue.. which is what makes this so complicated. Part me of says Bush is making this up, so he can look proactive. Part of me is convinced Saddam really is a threat. Bottom line, I don't know what to think at this point.

[ladyinred]

I agree with the war for the very reason post #4 is opposed to it. I do strongly believe that Iraq was instrumental in the attacks on this nation, and not just in Sept of 2001. There is evidence that they were also involved in the planning and carrying out of OKC bombing, and even possibly other attacks.

I was not for the former Gulf War, but once it started I supported the troops. This time, as I believe Iraq attacked us first, we should roll. We also need to prevent more attacks against us and our allies, and Iraq is more than willing to carry out such attacks.

[Texasforever]

The answer is simple; each attack is a message to the next country’s regime on the list. When that message sinks in then the war on terror has been won.

[copycat]

We should remove Saddam because he does not recognize that all humans were created equal, with certain unalienable rights. If you believe in that, you know that Saddam is the enemy of everything America stands for.

The fact that he is a brutal dictator who kills and torures his enemies and that he supports the use of WMD against Jews and Americans is really just a convienient excuse to remove an evil man from power and liberate the people of Iraq.

[Fred Mertz]

Your post assumes war with Iraq is the ultimate objective. Wrong. The operative question is, "How do we effect a regime change in Iraq?"

This assumes we trust our leadership that a regime change is necessary. Personally, I don't buy it. Since they say they'll release the evidence after they start the war, I am insulted that they don't trust me to understand the threat I face.

To compare Hussein with Hitler is to compare a mouse with a cat.

War ain't going to happen anytime soon, I'll tell you that.

[Fred Mertz]

Oh, I forgot to add, Saddam is one of the last standing up against the new world order. That is not permitted these days.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

And no personnal attacks. Everyone on this site is an American and loves this country.

He He He yea right !

[Jmouse007]

Why War With Iraq?... Historical Justification

People talk about the "cost of war" but fail to discuss the cost of inaction. "Those who do not LEARN from history are bound to repeat it."

The nay-sayers and liberal media "talking heads" are screaming, "Why should we go to war with Iraq?" "What is the justification for taking preemptive action?" "We must not upset the apple cart in the Middle East" The answer to all of these questions is simple: History teaches us we must take action before tens, hundreds of thousands or millions of Americans die as a direct result of our inaction.

While teaching this Spring at a University in St. Petersburg, Russia I took the time to go to Piskaryovsoye Cemetery, a mass graveyard outside the city of St. Petersburg, Russia. I purposely went there as a visceral, visual reminder of what happens when people, leaders and nations of the world try to appease/make peace with or otherwise ignore madmen bent on world conquest and domination.

This site contains over 186 mass graves. I know because I took the time to count each of them and to solemnly ponder their contents. THERE ARE OVER 490,000 PEOPLE BURIED THERE! People just like you and I, people who once lived, breathed, love and dreamed of bright futures for themselves and their children. Over 900, 000 people died in the city of St. Petersburg alone (200, 000 just in Jan-Feb 1942) and MOST of them were civilians; women and children.

All of this happened because the leaders of the world, including Stalin, sought to appease a little madman who amassed weapons and an army in order to dominate his neighbors and the World, by the name of Adolph Hitler.

A week later I went to London and visited the Imperial War Museum. There, encased in glass I saw the actual Munich Pact letter signed by Hitler and Chamberlain in which Hitler "promised" in writing to end his aggression... promises always look good in writing.

Nevil Chamberlain waved the letter before the English press and the world and said: "...My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honor. I believe it is peace for our time. Go home and get a nice quiet sleep." -- Neville Chamberlain, September 30, 1938.

Europe believed his hollow promises and went back to sleep. They tried to "contain" and "appease" Hitler, the exact same advice people who ignore reality are giving us today regarding Saddam... the result; HE ATTACKED THEM ANYWAY AND 80 MILLION PEOPLE DIED IN THE PROCESS... people like you and me, people like your children, your husbands, your wives, your grandparents.

Like Hitler, Saddam has given his word and made a multitude of promises for the sole purpose of keeping us from stopping his WMD programs and his ultimate aims for aggression. The World needs to be reminded that to date HE HAS KEPT NONE OF THEM. History teaches us this lesson; if we do not deal with and stop Saddam now, the cost will be far, far greater to accomplish this in the future.

So "Why act now?" Because this is the reality of our current situation; Muslim fundamentalists all over the world have declared jihad on America. They want us (civilians, men, women and children) DEAD and are actively plotting to kill, enslave and destroy us. All of this is taking place at the same time Saddam continues to produce weapons grade Anthrax, VX gas, and hastily works on developing nukes and these other "goodies" to give to toady Muslim terrorists to use against America. A report out this week details the "worst case scenario" 3 MILLION DEAD due to the release of 250 pounds of weapons grade Anthrax in either LA or San Francisco.

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/3995198.htm

America and it's leaders and people will either learn from history or repeat it. History provides us and our Allies with all the reasons and justification we need to preemptively go to war with Iraq and to rid the world of Saddam. The only other option the is to wait until he or one of his Muslim lackeys hits us and thousands or millions die.

The appeasers advise us to "wait, for “proof” do nothing, to sit around, contain, appease and take Saddam at his word... until we are attacked, the problem is then it will be too late.

America's response must be that of G. BUSH Sr.: 'Sorry, ... NOT GONNA DO IT... WOULDN'T BE PRUDENT!"

History warns us, if we do not deal with this threat now, the next attack, Anthrax, Small pox, dirty bomb, suitcase nuke, etc... (and it is coming if we don't stop them, it is just a matter of time) will make Sept. 11th look like a picnic.

Liberals get all choked up about "inocents" getting killed in Iraq. They fail to mention that 3,000 American innocents were murdered on September 11, 01. WE ARE ALREADY AT WAR, IT IS TIME WE AS A NATION DEFEND OURSELVES.

By the way, I am not some "arm chair general" who never served but is gung-ho to send others off to war (the "straw man argument). I am a former Vietnam vet... USN 68 - 71 who served in the theater of operations. I know the cost of war, but the cost of inaction is, in this case too high to contemplate.

If you don't believe me just take a trip to Piskaryovsoye Cemetery outside of the city of St. Petersburg, Russia. You will not find any names of the dead because there are nearly a half million people burried there; just 186 plus mass graves, each containing a simple marker noting the year those interred in each grave died. This is what we can expect if we do not respond to the "clear and present danger" that Saddam and Muslim fundamentalists represent to America and it's Allies.

[Kermit]

9/11 changed the game. We cannot afford to have terror sponsoring regimes in control of States. They all must change, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Libya.

[Tempest]

Hmmmm... I oppose this war at the present time mainly because I do not see it as benefitting American interest. In my view I think that it too costly at a time in which the goverment is desperately needed to control it's spending and to avoid any further deficit. I also oppose this war because it diverts our troops attention away from waging a war against specific fanatical factions (i.e. Terrorist) and spreads out our resources.

Peripheral reasons as to why I oppose this war, is because I don't believe that the US has the right to take a proactive war stance upon soverign countries. (Same reasons why I opposed the war in Yuogoslavia.)

As terrible as Saddam my seem to outsiders, I believe that people inherently get the goverment in which they deserve. Sure you can bring up the dissidents in the Iraqi regime. But you have dissidents in every coountry, including the U.S.. Except here in the U.S. the dissident are louder and obnoxious because their freedoms allow them to be. It's just over their they resort to violence because they feel that is the only platform in which they can use to get their "message" across.

I oppose this war on the principal of intellectual consistancy. I did not agree with the reasons why we went to war with Iraq in 98' hence I don't agree with them now either. Although I find it interesting how the tables have turned and the hypocrisy from both major parties have really shown.

Although my opposition towards the war is not complete. I have to ask my self the question as to why Clinton in 98' felt it so neccessary to attack Iraq and yet today President Bush seems it very neccesary to attack them as well? I of course assume that people at such levels of goverment are privileged to information in which common people are not.

Yet with Clinton's sudden apprehension against attacking Iraq I feel that, that he is more interested in serving political posturing than he is in serving the safety of the nation. After all I haven't heard a single "journalist" dare ask him as to why he has such a sudden change of heart.

Anyways another issue of concern is the question of well. If we don't take a proactive stance we are very well asking to take a reactive stance. And the problem with the reactive stance is that by then MANY lives may have already been lost.


As I side note: No I don't but into the stereotypical scare tactics that have been implemented since every war since the Vietnam war. That somehow Iraq which is only up to 40% of it's military capacity since we last kicked their butts is somehow going to give us a run for our money. Any practical minded person realizes by now that we use our aircrafts as the primary infantry and ground troops only as sweeper team.

Well if you've read this far thanks for hearing out my not very well thought out opinion.

[PsyOp]

"The fact that slaughter is a horrifying spectacle must make us take war more seriously, but not provide an excuse for gradually blunting our swords in the name of humanity. Sooner or later someone will come along with a sharp sword and hack off our arms." - Karl von Clauswitz, On War, 1832. Saddam likes swords. We hack off his arms so he can't use them. Smoking guns have already been fired.

[PsyOp]

"Victory is the main object in war. If this is long delayed, weapons are blunted and morale depressed." - Sun Tzu, The Art of War. c.400-320 b.c.

Just in case you forgot, we are at war with terrorism and those who support it. Saddam supports it, funds it, uses it. And does so openly and without apology.