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Canada's Military Said to be on 'Verge of Collapse'
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 9/18/02 | Alison Appelbe

Posted on 09/18/2002 3:46:29 AM PDT by kattracks

CNSNews.com) - Canada's military is on the verge of collapse, according to a recent report released by a coalition of prominent Canadians concerned about security and defense.

The 39-page report from the Council for Canadian Security (CCS) in the 21st Century warns that the country is at risk of being unable to defend its territory, including the world's longest coastline and second-largest land mass and becoming increasingly reliant on the capabilities of the United States.

"Canadian forces are in a crisis-literally on the verge of collapse," military historian and council chairman Jack Granatstein told the media on the release of the report. "To rectify the situation, the Canadian forces need more. More of everything."

Since the 1950s, Canada has reduced its defense spending to just over one per cent of its gross domestic product, placing it 17th among 19 NATO-member countries. From a peak fighting force of 120,000 four decades ago, the country is now reduced to 60,000 members in uniform. Its military equipment-from naval frigates and Arctic icebreakers to military helicopters and transport planes-is widely seen as outdated and insufficient.

Timed for release on the eve of Sept. 11 commemorative events, the report, titled 'The Peoples' Defense Review," calls for an immediate infusion of $1.5 billion Canadian ($950 million U.S.) into Canada's $12 billion military budget, and stepped up co-operation with American forces to improve continental security.

"Nine-eleven indicates the nature of the threat, and the U.S. has reacted by bolstering homeland defense," the report says. "If Canada fails to make equivalent efforts, it will be an easier target. Moreover, given the interconnections in the continent's infrastructure, a major attack on the U.S. will have serious effects in Canada."

On the politically sensitive issue of Canadian sovereignty, the report adds that any decision to allow the U.S. greater responsibility for protecting Canada "would de-facto cede Canadian sovereignty to the U.S."

In a subsequent telephone interview, Granatstein said Canada has historically shunted its military during peacetime.

"In war we have built up forces that become very good and effective, but as soon as the war is over we start throwing it away and we get into a cycle of forgetfulness in which we demolish what has been a very effective military," Granatstein said.

He added that a "cheap" and "rather sad" anti-Americanism, always present in Canada, has reached a "shrill" level since four Canadian soldiers were killed in Afghanistan in April in a friendly fire incident involving American pilots. At the same time, he warned that Americans look upon Canada as "a freeloader nation-a people that prattles about sovereignty and offers nothing but anti-American rhetoric."

Last week, the National Post newspaper and Global television network released a poll that showed 79 per cent of Canadians believe their nation would need American help in the case of an attack yet only 52 per cent support more government spending on the military.

Paul Cellucci, the U.S. ambassador to Canada, is among those who argue that a lack of military strength is the greatest threat to Canadian sovereignty. Cellucci is also a strong proponent of greater integration of continental forces.

"Why would we not co-operate ... it makes no sense not to," he told the media on the eve of Sept. 11 this year. "It's not about sovereignty. It's about security. There is a much greater threat to Canadian sovereignty by not giving the military what it needs to do its job than by allowing the military to continue to cooperate with the United States."

Cellucci has also stated that a lack of Canadian spending on its military is of concern at the highest levels of the Bush administration. Yet Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien has repeatedly said he has no plan to spend more and Defense Minister John McCallum said the CCS report would only become "part of the ongoing defense policy review."

Ironically, Parliament's most left-leaning party, the New Democrats, also criticize the Chretien government for neglecting the military. The NDP is concerned about poor salaries, benefits and living conditions for armed services personnel.

A director of the Centre for Military and Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary argued that the Canadian government is ignoring popular views.

"Since Sept. 11 (2001), all of the polls have shown that the Canadian public has been unified on a need for increased military spending," said Rob Huebert. "But we have a government that simply refuses to give the opinions of Canadians any adherence. You get the sense they are just waiting, crossing their fingers that there are no further strikes, and hoping they can go back to business as usual, which is, of course, a very ill-conceived attitude."

Granatstein attributes the lack of military spending, in part, to a culture in which the armed forces are not well profiled or highly valued in mainstream culture.

"Canadians don't know much about their military, and they don't know how weak it is," he said. "On the other hand, they think of themselves as being the best friend of the U.S. They don't seem to see that being as weak as we are, we are losing sovereignty, and that the Americans will make the decisions whether we like it or not."

 

 





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To: Wormwood
I can't remember the name either but I do recall it's on a dead end.
21 posted on 09/18/2002 4:29:09 AM PDT by RWG
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To: FreedomPoster
Granted, so we're selective on the parts we aquire. Quebec wants to secede anyway! Regards
22 posted on 09/18/2002 4:38:11 AM PDT by bullseye1911
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To: kattracks; dighton
And here's an golden oldie thread to go along with this ... CANADIAN WARSHIP SEIZES TANKER IN... WAIT...CANADA HAS A WARSHIP?
23 posted on 09/18/2002 4:38:21 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: kattracks
Canada's Military Said to be on 'Verge of Collapse'

Title Should Read:"Canadian Military Cannot Be Funded Do To Outragous Spending By The Goverment To Fund Hockey Programs In Canada

Sorry, Couldnt Resist,Flame Away! lol

24 posted on 09/18/2002 4:41:14 AM PDT by MetalHeadConservative35
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To: deathscythex
They can spend all they want...Still can't beat the Redwings!!!
25 posted on 09/18/2002 4:43:11 AM PDT by bullseye1911
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To: kattracks
Don't knock the ability of Canadians to fight, and fight hard. Some of the best soldiers in the world come from Canada.

. . . Of course, many of these are smart enough not to join the Canadian armed forces. They go south and join the United States armed forces, instead.

Even (or perhaps especially) during the Vietnam War thousands of Canadians joined the US Army to fight our war because they believed in the cause. I believe that several hundreds of the names on the Vietnam Memorial were those of Canadians.

I think this really is a cautionary tale of how P.C. can destroy military preparedness.
26 posted on 09/18/2002 4:44:10 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings
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To: bullseye1911
AMEN

cant say say there very smart toronto gave us cujo man! lol

Stanley cup 03 belongs to us hands off colorado freepers lol

27 posted on 09/18/2002 4:47:10 AM PDT by MetalHeadConservative35
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To: kattracks
"If Canada fails to make equivalent efforts, it will be an easier target.

Not to worry. Within another 20 years or so,it will be a suburb of China anyway,and the Chinese can protect their own people. Damn good thing too, since the Mexicans who will be running the US then ain't likely to help them,when they have all those new southern states to rebuild and support.

28 posted on 09/18/2002 4:49:47 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
Within another 20 years or so,it will be a suburb of China anyway,and the Chinese can protect their own people. Damn good thing too, since the Mexicans who will be running the US then ain't likely to help them,when they have all those new southern states to rebuild and support.

over my dead body will that ever happen

29 posted on 09/18/2002 4:53:25 AM PDT by MetalHeadConservative35
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To: PaulJ
"Canada has a military??"

There was a thread here on Free Republic a few months ago about Canada's military saving a bunch of our troops in Afghanistan. America had 3 choppers one a Chinook full of troops grounded deep in Taliban territory by a sand storm. Visibility was greatly reduced. The Canadians have a fighting vehicle called a "Cayote" ( I'm guessing they pronounce it Ki-oat) that is similar to our Bradley, only the Cayote has some real bad ass night vision equipment.

The Canadians led a caravan of U.S. troops and found our choppers with their night vision gear. This enabled our troops to set up a perimeter around the choppers and protect the crew and the other troops.

30 posted on 09/18/2002 4:58:24 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: bullseye1911
"Cool! OK, They got oil, lumber, great fishing, great hunting and an angry rural population. I say we annex 'em and make a 51st. State!! Let's roll!"

Maybe then we could break them of that nasty habit of putting vinegar on their french fries!

31 posted on 09/18/2002 4:59:55 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Destructor
( I'm guessing they pronounce it Ki-oat)

no, they pronounce it ki-oat-EH cant forget the EH part

you dont know much aboot canadian english do you? :)

32 posted on 09/18/2002 5:03:36 AM PDT by MetalHeadConservative35
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To: kattracks
I say we invade now. There is some nice farmland in the central and western provinces and there are some rich oil and gas properties we could really use, and Vancover is nice. Plus, the Canadian Rockies sure are pretty.

Eastern Canada? Blech. Maybe take it over, then sell it back to the French for some nice bottles of wine.

33 posted on 09/18/2002 5:04:58 AM PDT by machman
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To: machman
I say we invade now. There is some nice farmland in the central and western provinces and there are some rich oil and gas properties we could really use, and Vancover is nice. Plus, the Canadian Rockies sure are pretty. Eastern Canada? Blech. Maybe take it over, then sell it back to the French for some nice bottles of wine.

sounds like a plan

34 posted on 09/18/2002 5:05:41 AM PDT by MetalHeadConservative35
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To: kattracks
The fruits of socialism.
35 posted on 09/18/2002 5:06:21 AM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: deathscythex
HA! No, I don't. I'm from Texas where we slaughter the English language in a different way. LOL!!
36 posted on 09/18/2002 5:06:40 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Destructor
and here in michigan were forced to learn the native-detroit language of ebonix :)
37 posted on 09/18/2002 5:08:07 AM PDT by MetalHeadConservative35
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To: Joe 6-pack
I thought it was a suburb of Detroit...

hahahahah yep sure is whereas its not a suburb of detroit its a suburb of HOCKEYTOWN heheheheh

38 posted on 09/18/2002 5:09:27 AM PDT by MetalHeadConservative35
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To: deathscythex
Yeah just forget the terrorists lets go invade Canada, that is a more pressing need. Why hasn't Bush proposed this?
39 posted on 09/18/2002 5:10:11 AM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: LenS
They're spending US$7.6 billion on defense? Where? On what?

On Thank You cards and postage to the Pentagon.

40 posted on 09/18/2002 5:11:02 AM PDT by woofer
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