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Owners may not get guns back (Guns Were Not Illegal, But Will Not Be Returned To Owners)
Herald-Palladium ^ | 15 Sept 2002 | JIM DALGLEISH

Posted on 09/16/2002 7:24:13 PM PDT by tarawa

Owners may not get guns back

By JIM DALGLEISH / H-P City Editor

SODUS - None of the 36 guns seized in February at a Sodus Township home were illegal, federal authorities say, but the owners still may not get them back.

Because police found less than a half-ounce of marijuana, the U.S. Attorney's Office has launched civil forfeiture proceedings to keep the guns and 28,359 rounds of ammunition, Assistant U.S. Attorney Brian Delaney said from his Grand Rapids office. He said felony criminal charges could follow if prosecutors conclude the owners lied on gun registration forms when answering standard questions about possible drug use.

Tricia Carrie-LaVanway Bauer, who owns the guns with her father, David LaVanway, and her husband, Blaine, said the marijuana possession was a fluke, a one-time occurrence.

"Just one time, and they're going to take 36 guns away? C'mon ...," she said.

She said that the guns are worth between $25,000 and $30,000 and that authorities seized only 8,000 rounds with bullets. The rest were primers.

"Eight-thousand rounds isn't much when it's divided by (36) guns," she said.

All 36 guns were fully registered and were often used in gun safety training, LaVanway Bauer said. The Bauers say they are gun instructors, with certifications from the National Rifle Association and the Michigan Department of Natural Resources.

LaVanway Bauer said the couple cannot teach gun safety without firearms.

Police found a small amount of marijuana in her purse when her car was stopped Feb. 26 at Hillandale and Watson roads in Sodus Township.

The then-Coloma schools substitute bus driver pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of having carried the drugs in a school zone. Coloma's bus garage is next to the high school. The drug charge cost her the job.

She said she had never failed a state-mandated bus driver drug test.

During the home raid, authorities seized 0.42 ounces of marijuana from David LaVanway's bedroom. The amount would make no more than three joints, she said.

She said her father had not used marijuana for years and had been given the drugs by a friend who occasionally stops by the house.

She said her father was not a drug user when he registered six guns about seven years ago through the Berrien County Sheriff's Department.

The Bauers and LaVanway live in the house, which sits on 3.2 acres along Lett Road in a rural part of the township. LaVanway Bauer said her grandmother owns the house.

She said surrounding property owners for years have tried to buy the house so they could divide up the property, and her family's refusal to sell may have prompted neighbors to fabricate stories for police.

Neighbors first called the sheriff's department in March 2001 to report automatic gunfire, drug sales and militia activity, according to an affidavit by Special Agent James Walsh of the federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms.

Other people quoted in the report alleged they saw automatic weapons, a silencer - an illegal gun accessory - a large truck with marijuana and human-shaped targets.

But investigators found no evidence to support those claims, Delaney said.

LaVanway Bauer said there was no evidence because no such things were ever at the home.

Much of ATF agent Walsh's report is drawn from sheriff's Detective Lt. David Chandler's interviews with four people, identified in Walsh's report only as "concerned neighbor" or "confidential source."

LaVanway Bauer said the anonymity of the sources is irksome.

"I think they (the sources) should have to come out," she said. "They have destroyed our lives over a bunch of gossip."

She said county and federal authorities needed only to knock on their door to inspect their guns, house and land. Instead, they sought federal warrants and performed a full-fledged raid Feb. 26.

Blaine Bauer was arrested nearby as he was driving home in his tow truck. Police found a handgun behind his seat.

LaVanway Bauer said the gun was registered, legally carried and contained no rounds. Bauer used the gun for shooting behind the tow truck service's garage while waiting for calls.

Nonetheless, he pleaded no contest to a concealed weapons charge and was sentenced to one year's probation. The charge could be dismissed if he meets probation terms.

Assistant Berrien County Prosecutor Caryn Hebets said testimony showed the gun was accessible for Bauer from the driver's seat and that it was not properly cased. Hebets said Bauer told the court he had the gun in the truck for four or five days.

For trucks, state law says a gun must be in a locked case designed for guns, the ammunition must be kept separate, and the gun can only be carried directly to and from shooting ranges.

"You can't carry it around in your vehicle indefinitely," Hebets said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; drugwar; forfeiture; guns; marijuana; rkba; searchseizure
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To: Always A Marine
Smoke Dope, Pay the Price.
21 posted on 09/16/2002 8:22:58 PM PDT by FF578
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To: KingKongCobra
This life time member of the NRA can find no grounds to defend them. None whatsoever.

Nor does this lifetime member defend them for breaking the law. But the proper penalty is imprisonment or fine -- not the theft of their property.

The next time you drive 70mph is a 55mph zone, you'll probably consider what the fine might be if you get caught. My guess is that it probably fits the offense, somewhere around $60 or $75. But perhaps the cops might like to keep your car, too? Hmmm....

22 posted on 09/16/2002 8:25:30 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine
This is armed robbery

Yep. Drugs are bad (including stuff like Ritlin in most cases), but there is simply no defense for the state seizing private property in this manner.

23 posted on 09/16/2002 8:25:59 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: Ken H
Do asset seizures such as this violate any aspect of the Constitution, in your opinion?

The Constitution is history man, it only applies to the rich, famous, and PC crowd these days.

Thats what happens when you vote for lawyers, they let each other take our rights away.

25 posted on 09/16/2002 8:28:26 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: FF578
Smoke Dope, Pay the Price.

Agree. The price is a fine or imprisonment. It does not include having your property stolen, liquidated and shared as booty by bureaucrats and politicians. What do you own that a bureaucrat might like to have?

26 posted on 09/16/2002 8:29:08 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Ken H
The Constitution hasn't had anything to do with a single court case in the USA since the early '60s.

Before you flame me, read the Uniform Commercial Code, section 1 paragraph 207. Or for a method of beating any case which has no "victim" to come to court and testify (traffic ticket, drug bust, taxes, etc.) go and check out some of the articles at http://www.theawaregroup.com - especially the ones on the UCC and America's bankruptcy during the 30's which changed our legal system completely. Seriously - no foil involved. Just some facts that everyone in this site needs to know. (Some of the writers wear aluminum plate, but you can figure out which ones they are easily enough.)

28 posted on 09/16/2002 8:38:14 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: Lowelljr
You really think they deserve to lose weapons that had no connection to this "crime"? I have enough alcohol in a liquor cabinent right now to kill a fat man, but no one would take my guns over that. They had a harmless amount of marijuana - not a dealer amount (not that I believe that would make any difference). This is a disgusting injustice, and anyone who doesn't think that deserves the slaves' chains we will all soon be wearing.
30 posted on 09/16/2002 8:42:33 PM PDT by motexva
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To: tarawa
"He said felony criminal charges could follow if prosecutors conclude the owners lied on gun registration forms when answering standard questions about possible drug use. "

That's the key. If these people are charged with a felony, the authorities will hold the guns until after the trial since felons are not allowed to own firearms. If convicted, they lose the guns. Period.

My guess is that they'll plea down to a misdemeanor and get the guns back.
31 posted on 09/16/2002 8:46:08 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: Arkinsaw
Two guys in Kentucky shot an immature buck out of season and got caught. The feds confiscated their truck and guns and sold them at auction. The hunters were also fined a hefty amount, their hunting licenses revoked and sentenced to a considerable amount of community service.

They didn't even get to keep the meat.
32 posted on 09/16/2002 8:48:59 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: Biker Scum
You know the deal. John Q. in the cage doesn't understand the true meaning of freedom. Or the way they appear to anyone that rides, for that matter. ('79 Low-Rider.) After reading many of your posts in the past in here, you must be from the age when it wasn't doctors and lawyers in the saddle, eh?
33 posted on 09/16/2002 8:49:01 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: Always A Marine
Roger that. I have ZERO respect for them, nor do any of the DECENT citizens I know have a whit more! Thieves with badges deserve far more than I can get away with advocating on this forum. If the COPS start to turn bad, what are we left with? They are so vile I cannot even begin to recount how bad they are!
34 posted on 09/16/2002 8:50:30 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: Ken H
"Do asset seizures such as this violate any aspect of the Constitution, in your opinion?"

Seems there should be some distinction between usage and intent to distribute. Maybe.
35 posted on 09/16/2002 8:51:04 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: Biker Scum
Hmm. I'm afraid that the Constitution means whatever 9 old men think it means. I often disagree with them but if they decide that it's OK to take these guns, then it's OK. That's the breaks.
36 posted on 09/16/2002 8:52:46 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: dcwusmc
I'll third that. There are many instances where the LEOs have turned out to be far more dangerous to society than the lawmakers could have imagined. They all forget that one human instinct: Greed.
37 posted on 09/16/2002 8:54:23 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: big ern
I think it does seem pretty certain the neighbors made some things up to prompt this, but you'd think folks teaching gun safety would know better than to do some of this stuff.

1. Take dope to work with you, especially if you drive a school bus.

2. Keep your gun in an improper manner.
38 posted on 09/16/2002 8:55:19 PM PDT by Leper Messiah
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To: Always A Marine

FF578 writes: Prohibition would have worked if we made possession a Capital Offense. We need to do the same for Drug Possession today. Along with Homosexuality, Blasphemy, Fornication, Adultery and Pornography. 48


39 posted on 09/16/2002 9:03:17 PM PDT by Zon
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