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Man of steel (Bush must share the blame for Reeve not standing on his 50th birthday)
The Guardian (U.K.) ^ | 09/17/2002 | Oliver Burkeman

Posted on 09/16/2002 7:08:42 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: Pokey78
Christopher Reeve -- the world's most annoying quadraplegic.
41 posted on 09/16/2002 7:51:00 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Pokey78
"If we'd had full government support, full government funding for aggressive research using embryonic stem cells from the moment they were first isolated, at the University of Wisconsin in the winter of 1998 - I don't think it unreasonable to speculate that we might be in human trials by now."

Definately not superman (probably never was) ... more like super-baby-murderer. Ghouls like this should be allowed to die in peace.

42 posted on 09/16/2002 7:51:10 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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Mr. Reeve, some points to remember:

1) you are not the only person on this planet
2) nobody forced you to ride a horse and get hurt
3) if you think the current President (not to mention those who proceeded him) is the sole reason you do not walk today, then a new pair of legs and a spine are the least of your needs (hint: get a brain).

43 posted on 09/16/2002 7:52:53 PM PDT by willgetsome
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To: Deep_6
"...I gotta agree with Reeve, medical progess should not be interfered with by religious agendas using state power....."

Josef Megle was in agreement with that too!

44 posted on 09/16/2002 7:55:22 PM PDT by feedback doctor
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To: jlogajan
Does that mean medical ethics is not a viable constraint in your opinion?

Does the end justify the means? Do you think it only religion that argues ethics, or do you believe in ethics as a viable guideline at all?

Reeves wants a miracle.He cares little if it is medical or spiritual, he just wants it. I would too, given his position. But I hope I could see that sometimes the price of that miracle is more than a reasonable society should expect to pay.

I dont think I have the right to another human beings kidney.The medical ability is there, but do I have the "right" to "harvest" this organ from another human being, even if they are willing to "sell" it to the medical community?

Just because something can be done, does not mean it should be done.What if my, or your child was discovered to have a specific mutated gene that cured all cancer,located in her epidermal.Should the medical community, and the world then force her to produce skin grafts for the rest of her life to provide wealthy and/or poor people with a cure?

Reduce it to an ovary and an unfertilised egg.My child, or yours, is deemed the perfect producer of perfect research eggs.What would give science the "right" to harvest those eggs?

Medical/scientific ethics is not a religious concept.It can stand alone as pure ethics.

45 posted on 09/16/2002 7:55:28 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: Askel5
Dream Theater

The Great Debate

What if someone said
Promise lies ahead
Hopes are high in certain scientific circles
Life won't have to end
You could walk again

What if someone said
Problems lie ahead
They've uncovered something highly controversial
The right to life is strong
Can't you see it's wrong

Human kind has reached a turning point
Poised for conflict at ground zero
Ready for a war
Do we look to our unearthly guide
Or to white coat heroes
Searching for a cure

Turn to the light
Don't be frightened of the shadows it creates
Turn to the light
Turning away would be a terrible mistake


46 posted on 09/16/2002 7:59:46 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: jlogajan
Irregardless of stem cell research issue...I intensly dislike Reeves for trying to hijack every charity he could to divert funds to research instead of rehabilation and equipment for the handicapped.
47 posted on 09/16/2002 8:02:39 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: sarasmom
Does that mean medical ethics is not a viable constraint in your opinion?

I think we all know this discussion is limited to the question of stem cell research -- which is opposed on strictly religious grounds.

48 posted on 09/16/2002 8:04:37 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: sinkspur
"If we'd had full government support, full government funding for aggressive research using embryonic stem cells from the moment they were first isolated, at the University of Wisconsin in the winter of 1998 - I don't think it unreasonable to speculate that we might be in human trials by now."

Agreed, Sinkspur -- it's a bit of a stretch to blame GWB for an action not taken some three years before he had anything to say about the subject.

And also, Mr. Reeve, although not perhaps as seriously afflicted as you or as financially well-off, there are some of us (like the owner of FR) who do not play the blame game in their feigned "concern" for the disabled, but manage to accomplish great things without all the fanfare.

49 posted on 09/16/2002 8:06:16 PM PDT by mikrofon
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To: nunya bidness
Thanks.
50 posted on 09/16/2002 8:08:48 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Pokey78
This is what you call one of them there loads of horse sh!t.
51 posted on 09/16/2002 8:09:37 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay
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Bush had no part in Reeve's decision to risk his neck riding horses.

Besides ... it's pretty rich for Reeves to blame Bush when clearly only a pro-lifer quoting Scripture from The Book of his favorite philosopher could have pulled off the Already-been-killed Compromise by which he kept his campaign promise and kneecapped those GOP who would think to criticize his cleverness.

No way in hell the GOP would have let Clinton get away with capitalizing on "Excess" human lives thus.

52 posted on 09/16/2002 8:12:30 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Petronski
I'm with you. Let Blaxe put his money where his mouth is.In other words, volunteer his or her stem cells.

Funny thing about these liberals, enviromentalists, and communists.
They always want you to do the sacrificing.

You never see them live without electricity or air conditioning in order to conserve enegery.

They never walk to save gasoline, they drive a suv, Lincoln Conential, Cadalliac, BMW,or Porsh but they want you to walk or ride a bus.

I could go on and on but you get my drift.
53 posted on 09/16/2002 8:17:54 PM PDT by sport
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To: jlogajan
stem cell research -- which is opposed on strictly religious grounds.

Get serious. It's a scientific FACT that life begins at conception and that the entire genetic package is complete.

Barring a life's being frozen alive, chemically prevented from implanted or surgically dismembered and killed, that human life lives until its natural death.

Either all men are created equal or they are not. There is nothing "religious" about it ... save perhaps your Faith in your Personal Opinion about when a human life is really worth living.

In this respect -- your ability to judge what lives are fully human and what lives are subhuman; which lives are worth living and which lives are not worth living -- indeed you share the same philosophy as the Austrians and Germans who gassed the feeble and the Jews, as well as the Germans and Japanese who vivisected their POW "logs" alive.

54 posted on 09/16/2002 8:19:25 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: heartwood
"Hey, Chris, how many dead babies you want in your neck?"

Absolutely perfect. Thanks
55 posted on 09/16/2002 8:20:16 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: Black Agnes
Apparently, the fall from the horse broke his brain as well as his spine.
56 posted on 09/16/2002 8:21:21 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Pokey78
"If we'd had full government support, full government funding for aggressive research using embryonic stem cells from the moment they were first isolated, at the University of Wisconsin in the winter of 1998 - I don't think it unreasonable to speculate that we might be in human trials by now."


And if frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their asses so much.

57 posted on 09/16/2002 8:21:35 PM PDT by Fintan
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To: jlogajan
"I gotta agree with Reeve, medical progess should not be interfered with by religious agendas using state power."

That's probably kinda like what the Nazis had in mind when performing their atrocities on the Jews and other undesirables, huh? Ironically, in their case they used the state's power to advance medical knowledge without the hindrance of any religious influence or agenda.

58 posted on 09/16/2002 8:22:10 PM PDT by semaj
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To: Pokey78
As another Freeper so eloquently stated about another individual on a different thread, Christopher Reeve is living proof that some semen does, indeed, belong in the sink.
59 posted on 09/16/2002 8:23:44 PM PDT by sport
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To: Orual; aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer
I don't ride horses; therefore, Mr. Reeve was forced to ride the horse I didn't; therefore, the blame is entirely mine.

;-)

60 posted on 09/16/2002 8:24:21 PM PDT by dighton
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