Posted on 09/13/2002 12:36:29 PM PDT by 45Auto
Hydro is not renewable from the envro viewpooint because it requires dams and reservoirs. Part of the long term enviro agenda is to breach the dams and drain the reservoirs so that the rivers can flow "free" as they used to. (In this case, long term may not be so far off. Clinton's Sec'y of the Interior, Bruce Babbit approved and presided over, to great fanfare, the breaching of at least one dam. Other dams have been removed in various parts of the country.)
Never mind that these actions ignore the flood control aspects of many dams. They enviros also ignore the use of reservoir water from drinking and irrigation.
Actually, I shouldn't say that they ignore these uses. It's just that the enviro crowd doesn't much like mankind and would be happy if there were many fewer of us, packed into cities, taking public transit and never despoiling their pristine natural settings.
In any event, if hydro counted as renewable, it would make it harder to remove the dams.
I read page 6. Mostly it says that farm subsidies aren't encouraging overproduction. I don't see how that is supposed to comfort me. That's like saying welfare isn't encouraging unemployed people to work too much.
Two-thirds of all farm subsidies go to large farms and wealthy agri-businesses, most of which earn more than $250,000 a year. Among the landed gentry on the agriculture dole: 14 members of Congress, 15 Fortune 500 companies, and celebrities such as Sam Donaldson and Ted Turner. These mega-corporations and multi-millionaires will rake in as much as 160 times the median annual farm subsidy of $935.
Farm subsides grew from $6 billion in 1996 to $30 billion in 2000. Advocates of the current farm bill say they're just trying to help struggling family farmers. But they could do that far more cheaply. Congress could guarantee every full-time farmer a minimum income of 185 percent of the federal poverty line ($32,652 for a family of four) for "only" $4 billion per year -- one-fifth the cost of direct subsidies in the new bill.
Most House members have at least one major crop in their district grown by farmers who vote, and control of the Senate (which over-represents rural populations) will depend on several close races in farm-heavy states.
Farm subsidies represent little more than political payoffs, with both parties bidding for the "farmer's friend" label heading into the November elections.
Take it up with the Heritage Foundation.
I refuted your argument. If you are too lazy to refute mine, then I win.
Sorry, my family comes first. You don't win you are just on hold.
Here is the article from American Heritage. It is only available in Google's cache, and I dont' want it to disappear. I am very interested to see if you have any rationale rebuttal. My suspicion is that you or one of your relatives is getting a farm subsidy, and as long as you or yours are getting their thirty pieces of silver it perfectly fine by you for the government to steal from others to give to you.
Distributed nationally on the Knight-Ridder Tribune wire
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Excerpt:
"There is little justification for the special hold that the agricultural industry has on tax- payers' wallets. Other industries, such as the high-tech industry, are also risky and subject to large price swings but do not receive large-scale government subsidies. Moreover, farm households have higher incomes, on average, than do nonfarm U.S. households, and subsidies are skewed toward the largest and wealthiest farm businesses. Farm subsidies also subvert their own goal: farmers demand subsidies because of low market prices for their products, but subsidies themselves contribute to lower prices."
I don't think that the article states that hydroelectric power is not considered "renewable". It does imply that hydroelectric power is the only renewable power that is affordable.
The article does not specifically say that renewables exclude hydroelectric power, but every mention of credits or requirements for the development of renewables is for non-hydroelectric sources, and the entire article is about non-hydroelectric renewable energy.
According to the DOE's Energy Information Administration (EIA) statistics, renewable energy, excluding hydroelectric power, accounted for no more than 2% of America's electricity generation capacity for year 2000.The proposed requirements for 20% of electricity to be produced by renewable sources (by 2017, and recently signed into California law by the baron of blackouts) excludes hydroelectric power from being counted as "renewable."
The new law in California specifically excludes new hydroelectric power from counting toward the 20% requirement, although it allows power from existing hydroelectric power plants to be counted.
SB1078 amends Chapter 2.3 of Part 1 of Division 1 of the Public Utilities Code with (among pages of other requirements) Article 16, 399.12 (a)(3):
A new hydroelectric facility is not an eligible renewable energy resource if it will require a new or increased appropriation or diversion of water under Part 2 (commencing with Section 1200) of Division 2 of the Water Code.
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