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Conspiracy Theorists: WHAT DID HAPPEN TO FLIGHT 93?
The UK Mirror ^ | Thursday, 12 September 2002 | Richard Wallace

Posted on 09/12/2002 6:30:13 PM PDT by SlickWillard

WHAT DID HAPPEN TO FLIGHT 93?
RICHARD WALLACE, US Editor, examines riddle of hijacked jet as he visits crash site

THE unmarked military-style jet swooped down at high speed through the valley, twice circled the smouldering black scar where Flight 93 had careered into the ground just seconds earlier and then hurtled off over the horizon.

GRIEF: Victims' relatives visit a makeshift memorial at crash site

At least six eyewitnesses saw the mysterious aircraft on the morning of September 11 last year. But the US authorities deny it ever existed.

So when George Bush laid a wreath yesterday at the crash site in a remote valley outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, he was one of only a handful of people who know what really happened to the 40 innocents and four hijackers aboard the doomed United Airlines Boeing 757-200.

Those unimaginable final seconds as passengers showed courageous defiance apparently wrestling for control of the aircraft have become one of the defining images of the tragedy.

And "Let's roll" - ringleader Todd Beamer's no-nonsense call to arms - became a defining battle cry in America's war on terror.

But of the four aircraft taken on September 11, the exact fate of Flight 93 after its two-hour journey is proving difficult for US officials to explain.

What was the white jet doing there and why won't they admit to its presence? Why did other witnesses see smoke and flames trailing from Flight 93 as it fell from the sky, indicating a possible explosion aboard?

Or - and this is proving to be the most uncomfortable question of all - in the moments before the airliner piled into the black, spongey earth at 575mph did an American fighter pilot have to do the unthinkable and shoot down a US civil airliner?

Susan Mcelwain, 51, who lives two miles from the site, knows what she saw - the white plane rocketed directly over her head.

"It came right over me, I reckon just 40 or 50ft above my mini-van," she recalled. "It was so low I ducked instinctively. It was travelling real fast, but hardly made any sound.

"Then it disappeared behind some trees. A few seconds later I heard this great explosion and saw this fireball rise up over the trees, so I figured the jet had crashed. The ground really shook. So I dialled 911 and told them what happened.

"I'd heard nothing about the other attacks and it was only when I got home and saw the TV that I realised it wasn't the white jet, but Flight 93.

Ididn't think much more about it until the authorities started to say there had been no other plane. The plane I saw was heading right to the point where Flight 93 crashed and must have been there at the very moment it came down.

"There's no way I imagined this plane - it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.

"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. I haven't found one like it on the internet. It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets. The FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.

"Then they changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000ft up.

"But I saw it and it was there before the crash and it was 40ft above my head. They did not want my story - nobody here did."

Mrs Mcelwain, who looks after special needs children, is further convinced the whole truth has yet to come out because of a phone call she had within hours from the wife of an air force friend of the family.

"She said her husband had called her that morning and said 'I can't talk, but we've just shot a plane down,' " Susan said. "I presumed they meant Flight 93. I have no doubt those brave people on board tried to do something, but I don't believe what happened on the plane brought it down.

"If they shot it down, or something else happened, everyone, especially the victims' families, have a right to know."

Lee Purbaugh, 32, was the only person to see the last seconds of Flight 93 as it came down on former strip-mining land at precisely 10.06am - and he also saw the white jet.

He was working at the Rollock Inc. scrapyard on a ridge overlooking the point of impact, less than half a mile away. "I heard this real loud noise coming over my head," he told the Daily Mirror. "I looked up and it was Flight 93, barely 50ft above me. It was coming down in a 45 degree and rocking from side to side. Then the nose suddenly dipped and it just crashed into the ground. There was this big fireball and then a huge cloud of smoke."

But did he see another plane? "Yes, there was another plane," Lee said. "I didn't get a good look but it was white and it circled the area about twice and then it flew off over the horizon."

Tom Spinelli, 28, was working at India Lake Marina, a mile and a half away. "I saw the white plane," he said.

"It was flying around all over the place like it was looking for something. I saw it before and after the crash."

India Lake also contributes to the view there was an explosion on board before the Newark-San Francisco flight came down. Debris rained down on the lake - a curious feat if, as the US government insists, there was no mid-air explosion and the plane was intact until it hit the ground.

"It was mainly mail, bits of in-flight magazine and scraps of seat cloth," Tom said. "The authorities say it was blown here by the wind." But there was only a 10mph breeze and you were a mile and a half away? Tom raised his eyebrows, rolled his eyes and said: "Yeah, that's what they reckon."

Light debris was also found eight miles away in New Baltimore. A section of engine weighing a ton was located 2,000 yards - over a mile -from the crash site. Theorists point out a Sidewinder heat-seeking missile attacks the hottest part of aircraft - the engine.

The authorities say the impact bounced it there. But the few pieces of surviving fuselage, local coroner Wallace Miller told us, were "no bigger than a carrier bag".

Nearly all the passengers were reduced to charcoal on impact and the largest piece of human tissue found was a section of spine eight inches long.

CURIOUSLY, military officials insist there was never any pursuit of Flight 93, although they were informed that it was a suspected hijack at 9.16am, 50 minutes before the plane came down.

At 9.35am they assumed it was heading for Washington DC after it changed course in a 180 degree turn and three F-16s - top speed 1,800mph - now patrolling over the capital were told to "protect the White House at all costs".

An anonymous flight controller said on the day that an F-16 was "in hot pursuit" of Flight 93 - Washington to Shanksville is seven to 10 minutes flying time.

A few minutes before the crash Bill Wright, piloting a single-engine Piper, could see Flight 93 three miles away, but was suddenly told to turn away and land immediately without explanation.

At 9.58am a 911 call - the last mobile phone contact from Flight 93 - was made from one of the airliner's toilets by passenger Edward Felt.

Glenn Cramer, the emergency supervisor who answered it, said on the day: "He was very distraught. He said he believed the plane was going down.

"He did hear some sort of an explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, but he didn't know where. And then we lost contact with him." Glenn Cramer has now been gagged by the FBI.

Also, according to sources, the last seconds of the cockpit voice recorder are the loud sounds of wind, hinting at a possible hole somewhere in the fuselage. What caused the smoke and explosion? Why the wind sounds?

The FBI's later explanation for the white jet was that a passing civilian Fairchild Falcon 20 jet was asked to descend from 34,000ft to 5,000ft some minutes after the crash to give co-ordinates for the site. The plane and pilot have never been produced or identified. Susan Mcelwain says a Falcon 20 was not the plane she saw.

FURTHER verification that some kind of military aircraft was operating in the area is scientifically irrefutable.

At 9.22am a sonic boom - caused by supersonic flight - was picked up by an earthquake monitoring station in southern Pennsylvania, 60 miles from Shanksville.

That Todd Beamer and others launched an assault on the hijackers there is no doubt. The brief extracts released from audio tapes indicate a fierce struggle going on at the cockpit door.

But nobody - official or otherwise - has categorically said the group got into the cockpit or that their actions led to the crash. Those final, agonising moments are mere presumption.

President Bush and his team have the whole story. So why aren't they telling the rest of us?

UA93: THE EVIDENCE

THE WITNESSES

At least SIX witnesses, including Susan Mcelwain saw a small military type plane flying around shortly BEFORE UA93 crashed. The FBI denies its existence

THE DEBRIS

The US Government insists the plane exploded on impact yet a one-ton section of the engine was found over a mile away and other light debris was found scattered over eight miles away

THE MOBILE CALL

Passenger Edward Felt made an emergency call from the plane. He spoke of an explosion and seeing some white smoke. The superviser who took the call has been gagged by the FBI

THE F-16s

UA93 was identified as a hijack at 9.16am. At 9.35am three F-16s were ordered to "protect the White House at all costs" when it turned towards the capital. At 10.06am it crashed at Shanksville, less than 10mins flying time from Washington

THE BLACK BOXS

Sources claim the last thing heard on the cockpit voice recorder is the sound of wind - suggesting the plane had been holed

THE SONIC BOOM

The FBI insists there was no military plane in the area but at 9.22am a sonic boom - caused by a supersonic jet - was picked up by an earthquake monitor in southern Pennsylvania, 60 miles away from Shanksville.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; US: Pennsylvania
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To: chemainus
Sorry should have mage it clear. It's from a brit-geek cult fantasy '60s TV program Thunderbirds Are Go
81 posted on 09/12/2002 9:47:03 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: Lunatic Fringe
If that pic is legit, there was no missile or anything involved.

The islamic guys simply drove the plane into the ground instead of giving up.
82 posted on 09/12/2002 9:49:37 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Monty22
If it wasn't shot down, why the debris trail 8-10 miles behind the plane?
83 posted on 09/12/2002 9:53:17 PM PDT by Minutemen
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To: chemainus
"Does the government Lie ? All the time."

Ah yes, when left with nothing else, we can always fall back on that line. An "INORDINATELY LONG" period of time???? We knew what Todd Beamer said and did less than a week after September 11. If you don't trust the government than you are a member in good standing with the rest of America, but don't try to make stuff up to prove your point. This article is bogus. There are plenty of real lies that aren't based on conspiracy crap like this.

84 posted on 09/12/2002 9:54:01 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Minutemen
I don't know. 93 seemed a 'cleaned' impact than 587.. That's for sure.

That picture was taken seconds after impact, and there would have to be a trail of some sort if there was damage. Unless the picture is touched up, or the trail is behind the smoke, I just can't imagine it anymore.
85 posted on 09/12/2002 9:55:15 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Monty22
I must admit, if you add up the elapsed time on the event's time line, it doesn't seem that an airliner could stay air-borne for 10 minutes after taking a missle hit.
What altitude was this plane at when the struggle started?
86 posted on 09/12/2002 10:05:20 PM PDT by Minutemen
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To: Minutemen
Apparently, and I only remember this off some news report, so don't take it as close to fact, that 93 was flying at a particularly low altitude before it nosed down and crashed.

Did the islamics maybe have a bomb on board, like they said? If someone didn't like what was happening, did it blow by remote? Maybe!
87 posted on 09/12/2002 10:08:23 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: SlickWillard
Did you see the 60 minutes interview of Bush the other night?
88 posted on 09/12/2002 10:11:13 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Monty22
The islamic guys simply drove the plane into the ground instead of giving up

And that is what I think happened at the last. The terrorists were losing control of the plane and drove it quickly into the ground. The last thing heard was Akbar Allah, or whatever they say.

89 posted on 09/12/2002 10:15:28 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Rokke
I would underscore the points you have made. I was in Shanksville about four hours after the crash, and spoke with a number of people about what they saw/heard. Also watched the news conferences there with Ridge/state police and the FBI. Also took the "tour" of the crash site, from a distance. There was basically nothing to see except for a big "dent" in the dirt and some damaged trees.

A TV reporter who managed to get up close to the crash site and later got arrested did get his video on TV. The largest piece of debris he found was about four inches square.

I am not a physicist so I can't tell you what this means. What I can tell you is that I have seen a number of plane crashes up close. I have never before seen one where there was basically nothing left to be seen.

All the reports you have read from the scene note this.

I can also tell you this: there was plenty of army there (there is a base nearby)..and plenty of questions asked, but absolutely nobody that I saw or spoke with mentioned a "white plane" flying around. Later in the day, when they flew in some excavation equipment on a jet, people in Shanksville were worried about another possible hijacking, since the planes had been grounded by that time.

There were some later media reports in the local papers about a lear jet, but nothing that I recall about a military jet in the air just prior to the crash. (There were plenty afterward).

Also -- I have never seen the woman mentioned above interviewed locally or nationally, on TV or in newspapers, and I have watched and read a LOT in the last year, and there aren't that many people in Shanksville to begin with. Sounds pretty fishy to me. Anything is possible, I suppose, but after having read the threads from the people who listened to the cockpit tapes last year I find it really hard to believe the government would/could shoot down the plane and lie about it in this fashion.

There were reports on local radio within 2 hours of the crash of someone onboard the flight calling the local 9-1-1 dispatcher reporting the flight had been hijacked.

I don't think the Westmoreland County Sheriff's Office could be co-opted into a conspiracy that quickly. But some people will.

90 posted on 09/12/2002 10:20:28 PM PDT by glorygirl
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To: Monty22
Maybe the hijackers panicked when the passengers tried to rush the cockpit and tried to stop their advance by "shaking" the plane. They were obviously not very experienced pilots, so they maybe pushed the plane beyond its limits and it started to break apart in flight and it was only a matter of time before the aircraft went down. That would explain the large debris field and the smoke.

Can't remember whether the flight data recorder was found (I don't think it was) but it could clear up that guess.

I find it hard to believe that the Bush Administration would be dumb enough to risk the backlash that would ensue after the public learned of the "coverup" of the shoot-down of Flight 93. Eventually, the truth would come out. Then again, nobody had much time to think up a plan of action, and whatever decision was made at the time (if one was made) on how to explain the crash could not have been reversed.

We'll never have definitive proof of whether the "official" version of Flight 93's fate is the truth. All we can do is trust that our government is not lying to us.

91 posted on 09/12/2002 10:21:29 PM PDT by kwyjibo
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To: HardStarboard
The Blue Angels do not fly F-16s and never did...A4s, F4s, F18s, yes, but the F-16 is a USAF bird.
92 posted on 09/12/2002 10:38:40 PM PDT by NMFXSTC
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To: SlickWillard
Of all the conspiracy theories this one has to be the sickest. What happened on Flight 93? What happened is a bunch of ordinary citizens became uncommon heroes.

Why does the tin foil hat crowd have to try and take that away from those heroes?

93 posted on 09/12/2002 10:38:56 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Why does the tin foil hat crowd have to try and take that away from those heroes?

The answer is simple, they would not have done what Beamer and the rest did.

94 posted on 09/12/2002 10:43:55 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: CWOJackson
Any liberal or democrat in congress should hang their head in shame..

They are against war.. They would be *DEAD* if not for the action of a few brave Americans, who gave their lives to save them.

There's no excuse for the Rats to be against this. They were so close to be vapor themselves.
95 posted on 09/12/2002 10:50:48 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Monty22
Here is a link containing several eyewitness accounts from immediately afterward, for anyone who's interested.
96 posted on 09/12/2002 11:45:04 PM PDT by glorygirl
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To: glorygirl
Further proof of the evil of islam. Thanks.
97 posted on 09/12/2002 11:48:28 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: SlickWillard
I have to go with the families. They are some of the few that actually heard the tapes from the plane. They are not allowed to talk in detail, but they have spoken to some extent and to a man you can see they believe the passengers took that plane down. I seem to remember an FR thread a while ago about this, and it seemed fairly clear the plane wasn't shot down.
98 posted on 09/12/2002 11:54:14 PM PDT by I still care
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To: Monty22
Notice that Lee Purbaugh, quoted above, is also quoted in the link in my last post. And here's what he has to say about the "mystery plane" from here.

" The fate of United Airlines Flight 93, the last of the four hijacked planes to go down in the United States on 11 September, holds no mystery for Lee Purbaugh. He saw what happened with his own eyes. He was the only person present in the field where, at 10.06am, the aircraft hit the ground..."

"Lee Purbaugh is one of at least half a dozen named individuals who have reported seeing a second plane flying low and in erratic patterns, not much above treetop level, over the crash site within minutes of the United flight crashing. They describe the plane as a small, white jet with rear engines and no discernible markings. Purbaugh, who served three years in the US Navy, said he did not believe it was a military plane.

This should close the discussion, imho.

99 posted on 09/12/2002 11:58:37 PM PDT by glorygirl
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To: fone; Bloody Sam Roberts
I am completely with you, fone and Bloody Sam:

It does not matter wether flt 93 was shot or forced down; all involved are heroes!!!!!!!!

A geezer,
whenigettime
100 posted on 09/13/2002 12:18:17 AM PDT by whenigettime
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