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Conspiracy Theorists: WHAT DID HAPPEN TO FLIGHT 93?
The UK Mirror ^ | Thursday, 12 September 2002 | Richard Wallace

Posted on 09/12/2002 6:30:13 PM PDT by SlickWillard

WHAT DID HAPPEN TO FLIGHT 93?
RICHARD WALLACE, US Editor, examines riddle of hijacked jet as he visits crash site

THE unmarked military-style jet swooped down at high speed through the valley, twice circled the smouldering black scar where Flight 93 had careered into the ground just seconds earlier and then hurtled off over the horizon.

GRIEF: Victims' relatives visit a makeshift memorial at crash site

At least six eyewitnesses saw the mysterious aircraft on the morning of September 11 last year. But the US authorities deny it ever existed.

So when George Bush laid a wreath yesterday at the crash site in a remote valley outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, he was one of only a handful of people who know what really happened to the 40 innocents and four hijackers aboard the doomed United Airlines Boeing 757-200.

Those unimaginable final seconds as passengers showed courageous defiance apparently wrestling for control of the aircraft have become one of the defining images of the tragedy.

And "Let's roll" - ringleader Todd Beamer's no-nonsense call to arms - became a defining battle cry in America's war on terror.

But of the four aircraft taken on September 11, the exact fate of Flight 93 after its two-hour journey is proving difficult for US officials to explain.

What was the white jet doing there and why won't they admit to its presence? Why did other witnesses see smoke and flames trailing from Flight 93 as it fell from the sky, indicating a possible explosion aboard?

Or - and this is proving to be the most uncomfortable question of all - in the moments before the airliner piled into the black, spongey earth at 575mph did an American fighter pilot have to do the unthinkable and shoot down a US civil airliner?

Susan Mcelwain, 51, who lives two miles from the site, knows what she saw - the white plane rocketed directly over her head.

"It came right over me, I reckon just 40 or 50ft above my mini-van," she recalled. "It was so low I ducked instinctively. It was travelling real fast, but hardly made any sound.

"Then it disappeared behind some trees. A few seconds later I heard this great explosion and saw this fireball rise up over the trees, so I figured the jet had crashed. The ground really shook. So I dialled 911 and told them what happened.

"I'd heard nothing about the other attacks and it was only when I got home and saw the TV that I realised it wasn't the white jet, but Flight 93.

Ididn't think much more about it until the authorities started to say there had been no other plane. The plane I saw was heading right to the point where Flight 93 crashed and must have been there at the very moment it came down.

"There's no way I imagined this plane - it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.

"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. I haven't found one like it on the internet. It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets. The FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.

"Then they changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000ft up.

"But I saw it and it was there before the crash and it was 40ft above my head. They did not want my story - nobody here did."

Mrs Mcelwain, who looks after special needs children, is further convinced the whole truth has yet to come out because of a phone call she had within hours from the wife of an air force friend of the family.

"She said her husband had called her that morning and said 'I can't talk, but we've just shot a plane down,' " Susan said. "I presumed they meant Flight 93. I have no doubt those brave people on board tried to do something, but I don't believe what happened on the plane brought it down.

"If they shot it down, or something else happened, everyone, especially the victims' families, have a right to know."

Lee Purbaugh, 32, was the only person to see the last seconds of Flight 93 as it came down on former strip-mining land at precisely 10.06am - and he also saw the white jet.

He was working at the Rollock Inc. scrapyard on a ridge overlooking the point of impact, less than half a mile away. "I heard this real loud noise coming over my head," he told the Daily Mirror. "I looked up and it was Flight 93, barely 50ft above me. It was coming down in a 45 degree and rocking from side to side. Then the nose suddenly dipped and it just crashed into the ground. There was this big fireball and then a huge cloud of smoke."

But did he see another plane? "Yes, there was another plane," Lee said. "I didn't get a good look but it was white and it circled the area about twice and then it flew off over the horizon."

Tom Spinelli, 28, was working at India Lake Marina, a mile and a half away. "I saw the white plane," he said.

"It was flying around all over the place like it was looking for something. I saw it before and after the crash."

India Lake also contributes to the view there was an explosion on board before the Newark-San Francisco flight came down. Debris rained down on the lake - a curious feat if, as the US government insists, there was no mid-air explosion and the plane was intact until it hit the ground.

"It was mainly mail, bits of in-flight magazine and scraps of seat cloth," Tom said. "The authorities say it was blown here by the wind." But there was only a 10mph breeze and you were a mile and a half away? Tom raised his eyebrows, rolled his eyes and said: "Yeah, that's what they reckon."

Light debris was also found eight miles away in New Baltimore. A section of engine weighing a ton was located 2,000 yards - over a mile -from the crash site. Theorists point out a Sidewinder heat-seeking missile attacks the hottest part of aircraft - the engine.

The authorities say the impact bounced it there. But the few pieces of surviving fuselage, local coroner Wallace Miller told us, were "no bigger than a carrier bag".

Nearly all the passengers were reduced to charcoal on impact and the largest piece of human tissue found was a section of spine eight inches long.

CURIOUSLY, military officials insist there was never any pursuit of Flight 93, although they were informed that it was a suspected hijack at 9.16am, 50 minutes before the plane came down.

At 9.35am they assumed it was heading for Washington DC after it changed course in a 180 degree turn and three F-16s - top speed 1,800mph - now patrolling over the capital were told to "protect the White House at all costs".

An anonymous flight controller said on the day that an F-16 was "in hot pursuit" of Flight 93 - Washington to Shanksville is seven to 10 minutes flying time.

A few minutes before the crash Bill Wright, piloting a single-engine Piper, could see Flight 93 three miles away, but was suddenly told to turn away and land immediately without explanation.

At 9.58am a 911 call - the last mobile phone contact from Flight 93 - was made from one of the airliner's toilets by passenger Edward Felt.

Glenn Cramer, the emergency supervisor who answered it, said on the day: "He was very distraught. He said he believed the plane was going down.

"He did hear some sort of an explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, but he didn't know where. And then we lost contact with him." Glenn Cramer has now been gagged by the FBI.

Also, according to sources, the last seconds of the cockpit voice recorder are the loud sounds of wind, hinting at a possible hole somewhere in the fuselage. What caused the smoke and explosion? Why the wind sounds?

The FBI's later explanation for the white jet was that a passing civilian Fairchild Falcon 20 jet was asked to descend from 34,000ft to 5,000ft some minutes after the crash to give co-ordinates for the site. The plane and pilot have never been produced or identified. Susan Mcelwain says a Falcon 20 was not the plane she saw.

FURTHER verification that some kind of military aircraft was operating in the area is scientifically irrefutable.

At 9.22am a sonic boom - caused by supersonic flight - was picked up by an earthquake monitoring station in southern Pennsylvania, 60 miles from Shanksville.

That Todd Beamer and others launched an assault on the hijackers there is no doubt. The brief extracts released from audio tapes indicate a fierce struggle going on at the cockpit door.

But nobody - official or otherwise - has categorically said the group got into the cockpit or that their actions led to the crash. Those final, agonising moments are mere presumption.

President Bush and his team have the whole story. So why aren't they telling the rest of us?

UA93: THE EVIDENCE

THE WITNESSES

At least SIX witnesses, including Susan Mcelwain saw a small military type plane flying around shortly BEFORE UA93 crashed. The FBI denies its existence

THE DEBRIS

The US Government insists the plane exploded on impact yet a one-ton section of the engine was found over a mile away and other light debris was found scattered over eight miles away

THE MOBILE CALL

Passenger Edward Felt made an emergency call from the plane. He spoke of an explosion and seeing some white smoke. The superviser who took the call has been gagged by the FBI

THE F-16s

UA93 was identified as a hijack at 9.16am. At 9.35am three F-16s were ordered to "protect the White House at all costs" when it turned towards the capital. At 10.06am it crashed at Shanksville, less than 10mins flying time from Washington

THE BLACK BOXS

Sources claim the last thing heard on the cockpit voice recorder is the sound of wind - suggesting the plane had been holed

THE SONIC BOOM

The FBI insists there was no military plane in the area but at 9.22am a sonic boom - caused by a supersonic jet - was picked up by an earthquake monitor in southern Pennsylvania, 60 miles away from Shanksville.


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To: Lunatic Fringe
Thank you. End of Story.
21 posted on 09/12/2002 7:08:11 PM PDT by justapicker
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To: justapicker
Thank you. End of Story.

Ditto.

Just look at the Mirror's story--they cite as one piece of evidence the scrambling of F-16s from the DC area around 9:50 and the Mirror suggests they flew toward Shanksville, then another piece of "evidence" is a sonic boom near Shanksville at 9:20, well before even the Mirror says any F-16s were in the area.

If there was a shootdown after 10 a.m. then the 9:20 "evidence" isn't evidence at all, because it clearly had nothing to do with any military jets. Yet the Mirror is citing this as one of a handful of key pieces of evidence for their theory.

This is a mish-mash of oddities thrown together to create a phony pattern even though the oddities are internally contradictory. As others have noted, an Air Force jet flying 50 feet off the ground would make a bit more noise than what the witness reported, just to name one.

I would have no objection if the Air Force had shot down that plane, but the Mirror's story adds up to very little.

22 posted on 09/12/2002 7:17:29 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: SlickWillard
I have no real opinion on this - though my first thought when I heard this last year was that it must have been shot down. Here are a few pics that might be helpful...though I don't think any of these planes are cleared to fire AIM-9s.


The C-38 replaces two C-21A transports currently operated by the 201st Air National Guard based at Andrews AFB, Md. It holds 11 passengers and crew, is primarily for operational support and distinguished visitor transport and can be configured for medical evacuation and general cargo duties.


C-21


23 posted on 09/12/2002 7:20:16 PM PDT by Aaron_A
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To: John H K
F-16s have a single engine and a single fin.

The description sounds like an F-14 or F-15 except for the color.

24 posted on 09/12/2002 7:37:55 PM PDT by FreeLibertarian
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To: Aaron_A
What are the civilian designations of the C-21 and C-38?

The details of this article a bit confusing. The only combat aircraft with rear engines is an A-10... and though they fly low, you couldn't get it to be go supersonic unless you strapped it to a Saturn V rocket.

This all begs the question, why would the government lie about a shootdown when (as someone mentioned above), there are too many potential eyewitnesses to contradict the story?
25 posted on 09/12/2002 7:38:28 PM PDT by Maximum Leader
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To: Cicero; PackerBoy; Fighting Irish; All
Cicero: Bush is no clinton, who lied from instinct, but it's possible that the clintonoid mindset was still lingering in his administration or at the airbase in question, and once they denied there was a shootdown they were stuck with that story.

PackerBoy: I cannot believe that Bush would participate in a cover-up of this magnitude.

Fighting Irish: Because there is no cover up. 93 was not shot down.

To the best of my knowledge, no interviewer has ever asked Bush [or Cheney], "Mr. President [or Mr. Vice President], can you say conclusively, and unequivocally, that no branch of the United States military, to include the United States Air Force, but not limited thereto, was involved in the downing of United Airlines Flight 93, on the morning of September 11, 2001?"

It would be interesting to the response.

26 posted on 09/12/2002 7:38:39 PM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: Maximum Leader
The C-38 is an Astra SPX business jet.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-38.htm

The C-21 is a military version of the Learjet 35A.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-21.htm
27 posted on 09/12/2002 7:41:56 PM PDT by Aaron_A
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To: SlickWillard
Before Flight 93 crashed we got reports that fighter jets had been dispatched to the remaining planes in the air. I remember hearing about jets making a beeline for DC before the Pentagon was hit and I remember hearing about fighter's being dispatched to PA. Yeah, jets were probably there at the scene, but would there be any reason to shoot it down when it was obvious that 93 was way off course, wasn't anywhere near the Capitol and was already looking like it was going to crash?
28 posted on 09/12/2002 7:47:09 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Lunatic Fringe
That picture tells the story...thanks...the other people are either lying or just are confused. It was not shot down...the picture does not lie
29 posted on 09/12/2002 7:49:10 PM PDT by Lucas1
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To: Lunatic Fringe; Centurion2000
Thanks for the picture. It seals, once and for all, the fact that the Flight 93 was not shot down.

But, the Riveroistas will continue to insist that it was.

30 posted on 09/12/2002 7:52:31 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Aaron_A
I thought the C-21 was a Lear, but I don't think I've ever seen an Astra business jet before. Though I have heard that the Astra is what Lockheed calls the Aurora which the Air Force may or may not fly :O)

Thanks for the links.
31 posted on 09/12/2002 7:52:41 PM PDT by Maximum Leader
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To: Centurion2000
You must be one of Riveros buddies. Always a conspiracy somewhere. Just renew your SDS membership and be done with it. Fool.
32 posted on 09/12/2002 7:54:28 PM PDT by willyone
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To: Slyfox
The link in my post #5 might be interesting to you.
33 posted on 09/12/2002 7:55:06 PM PDT by fone
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To: Aaron_A
I don't know what happened. But unless you supply the exact details of the picture it means nothing and shows nothing. It is just a picture.
If you have a screaming plane over your head from out of nowhere you will see it first because it is travelling faster than sound. If there is a plane crash immediately after the sighting then that sound may be lost amongst all the other stimuli. Likely? No, but certainly possible.
I'm real tired of government deceit though.
34 posted on 09/12/2002 7:56:44 PM PDT by thegreatbeast
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To: Howlin
Didn't the relatives recently listen to the cockpit tapes? Wouldn't the tapes have revealed something, since all the voices were recorded (pilots were heard being murdered; hijackers were heard being attacked by the heroes)?
35 posted on 09/12/2002 7:57:00 PM PDT by Inkie
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To: thegreatbeast
As for the picture of the smoke cloud, this plane had enough fuel still on board to fly two thirds of the way across the USA. There is nowhere near enough smoke for that amount of fuel. The picture is therefore questionable.
36 posted on 09/12/2002 8:05:41 PM PDT by Chewy
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To: thegreatbeast
Someone mentioned that the US air-force did not operate any "white" aricraft. Just about all combat and transport planes now feature the "grey" color scheme...but there are still a few "white" planes. Not to mention I was trying to tie in with the aircraft description in the story - the witness mentioned that she couldn't find a picture (on the Internet) of the plane she saw....maybe she checked FAS, maybe not.

The pics are only meant as fwiw.
37 posted on 09/12/2002 8:06:21 PM PDT by Aaron_A
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To: montag813; Fighting Irish; desertcry
I love the way the tin hats try to make their theories fit the eyewitness accounts. The plane had "that look". Wow! I believe the person already. The article tries to pinpoint small details into the story and then omits the one thing that makes it believable.
The type of aircraft.
How hard is it to have the witnesses draw the exact fighter in our inventory.
They can't do it it without realizing it was not something capable of shooting the flight down.
38 posted on 09/12/2002 8:06:35 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: fone
I've said it before on other threads and I'll state it here again.

Some may feel that the plane was shot down, but it just doesn't matter.

Whether the aircraft was brought down from within or without is immaterial. It was brought down by heroes and patriots who were protecting what this nation stands for. Period.

39 posted on 09/12/2002 8:14:36 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: SlickWillard
At least six eyewitnesses saw the mysterious aircraft on the morning of September 11 last year.

There are cases in which six eyewitnesses claim to have seen flying saucers piloted by space aliens.

We know from the phone calls that the passengers were planning to take back the plane or die trying. We know that the plane crashed immediately after these calls. The notion that some "mysterious aircraft" was involved is for people who think that "Occam's Razor" is the brand name of the box cutters used by the terrorists.

40 posted on 09/12/2002 8:18:04 PM PDT by steve-b
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