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Pope Asks God to Show Mercy on Sept. 11 Attackers
Reuters via iWon.com ^ | Sept 11, 2002 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 09/11/2002 5:32:02 AM PDT by Pern

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope John Paul, marking the anniversary of the attacks on U.S. cities, branded terrorism "ferocious inhumanity" but asked for prayers that God would show mercy and forgiveness for the attackers.

The pope also urged the world to change in situations of injustice that spurred the desire for revenge.

"We pray for the victims today, may they rest in peace, and may God show mercy and forgiveness for the authors of this horrible terror attack," he said in Polish, according to a translation provided by Vatican Radio.

The pope was speaking in unscripted remarks in Polish during a special general audience dedicated to commemorating the victims of the attacks by hijacked aircraft on New York and Washington landmarks.

The service included mourning music and a peace prayer.

"Terrorism is and always will be a manifestation of ferocious inhumanity, and because it is, it never will resolve conflicts between human beings," he told some 10,000 people in the Vatican's vast auditorium.

"Violence can only lead to further hatred and destruction."

But he called for changes in "scandalous situations of injustice and oppression, which continue to afflict so many members of the human family, creating conditions that are favorable to the uncontrolled explosion of the thirst for vendetta."

After his address, special prayers were read in several languages, including Arabic, for the victims of the attacks and for peace among religions.

MORE THAN 3,000 DEAD

More than 3,000 people died in the attacks on New York's World Trade Center, U.S. military headquarters at the Pentagon on the Washington outskirts and in a hijacked plane that crashed into a field in Pennsylvania.

The prayer read in Arabic asked believers of all religions to "firmly reject every form of violence and commit themselves to resolving conflicts with sincere and patient dialogue" while respecting different histories, cultures and religions.

Speaking in a somber voice in his address, the pope said injustices had to be tackled through urgent and resolute political and economic actions.

He said that when fundamental rights were violated in oppressive situations, "it is easy to fall prey to the temptation of hate and violence."

But one year on, the pontiff said it was not enough to commemorate the victims and pray for their families.

"We also want to interrogate the consciences of those who planned and carried out such a barbarous and cruel action," he said.

"One year after September 11, 2001, we repeat that no situation of injustice, no feeling of frustration, no philosophy or religion can justify such an aberration."

"On this very sad anniversary, we raise to God our prayer so that love may be able to take the place of hate, and, with the help of all people of good will, that concord and solidarity may take root in every corner of the earth," he said.


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: falsedoctrine; forgiveness; pope; senile; terrorists; tollerance
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To: justsomedude
no, I mean your comments in #204. thanks in advance.
221 posted on 09/11/2002 8:49:59 AM PDT by smoking camels
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To: smoking camels
Where is it in the Bible that your little pope is commanded with this?

Oooooo, "little." What a badass insult.
222 posted on 09/11/2002 8:51:01 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: sinkspur
Christians believe that praying for the dead has merit, and that God hears those prayers.

THAT IS A BALD-FACED LIE, SINKSPUR!

Catholics believe that.

Bible-believing Christians DO NOT believe that the dead can be saved if they die without accepting Jesus as their personal Saviour, and we DO NOT believe in "purgatory".

I urge you to speak for CATHOLICS ONLY when posting such bald faced lies as you have just done.

223 posted on 09/11/2002 8:51:01 AM PDT by berned
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To: Aquinasfan; uncbob
And I still think it is kinda tacky praying to all all just merciful etc etc being to help Him make up His mind. Implies he can be swayed

Of course God cannot be swayed by us in the sense that we have any control over Him. Prayer is ultimately an irreducible mystery in which we are commanded to participate.

Exactly. If it's pointless to pray for the dead based on uncbob's logic above, then it's just as pointless to pray for the living too.
224 posted on 09/11/2002 8:53:24 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: berned
Catholics are Christians, aren't they? They do believe the bible, don't they? The ones I know do.
225 posted on 09/11/2002 8:53:56 AM PDT by justsomedude
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To: Conservative til I die
i like you. sharp!
226 posted on 09/11/2002 8:54:15 AM PDT by smoking camels
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To: San Jacinto
"Yep, what God does with them after they are dead is his business. Making them dead is America's business."

Well said BUMP.

227 posted on 09/11/2002 8:54:37 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: smoking camels
this isn't the place for it. and i'm not ready to share it.
228 posted on 09/11/2002 8:54:47 AM PDT by justsomedude
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To: It's me
Second, how the heck can you know what these stupid men thought seconds before their deaths. Remember, supposedly only one or two on each plane knew what exactly was happening. The others thought they were hijacking the planes and found out moments before their own deaths. Perhaps they did ask for forgiveness seconds before their deaths. They can't really "show us any signs" of being remorseful, can they?


I'm pretty sure they all knew they were on a suicide mission, though they may not have known til the last minute what the targets were. But even so, they KNEW they were going to do something to harm innocents. What, they thought they were gonna hijack the planes to take the passengers to Disney Land? No, they knew they were going to do harm to innocent people. They might not have known how many or how, but they went in with their eyes open, at least when it came to hurting innocent people. Just because they might not have know that they would die as a result, it doesn't justify it. As for your scenario, sounds to me like they'd be more sorry that they were about to die, not sorry that they were about to murder countless innocents.

"Forgive them father, for they know not what they do."

They knew what they were doing.
229 posted on 09/11/2002 8:55:15 AM PDT by Green Knight
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To: smoking camels
Yeah, and I disagree with your defense of such a murderous and corrupt secular organization as the catholic church is.

Well then, I think it's clear no one is going to break through to you then. Knowing that, I hope you find some happiness in your life, and also wonder why you continue to take potshots. Because if you feel that way about the Church and don't hope to change your feelings, then that's all you're doing. A low-grade form of trolling.
230 posted on 09/11/2002 8:55:31 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Puddleglum
I have no idea what you are rambling about.
231 posted on 09/11/2002 8:55:45 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: berned
Bible-believing Christians DO NOT believe that the dead can be saved if ...

That's because you only have 90.4% of the Bible.
232 posted on 09/11/2002 8:56:55 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: justsomedude
then shut up.
233 posted on 09/11/2002 8:57:44 AM PDT by smoking camels
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To: smoking camels
Scripture tells us that Jesus founded a Church (Mat 16:18) that is "the pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Tim 3:15) and a visible Church to which we must go to settle disputes (Mat 18:17).

The only visible Christian churches that can trace their origins to Pentecost are the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches.

If you were a good, Scriptural Christian you would be Catholic or at least Orthodox.

234 posted on 09/11/2002 8:58:20 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: sinkspur
Wow, I can't believe this. Two things I never thought I'd see.

1. Sinkspur sticking up for the Pope.

2. Me agreeing with Sinkspur.

Of course you are right, and so is the Holy Father. We know what the Pope means, it's a Catholic thing, they just wouldn't understand.

How quickly people condemn others to the fires of hell, when Christ repeatedly calls us to forgive, to love, to be charitable. We all deserve hell, each and every one of us. We both know that the Holy Father was not talking about forgiving the terrorists who are already dead, that would not be possible.

We know that the Holy Father wants the remaining terrorists to realize what they do is evil and repent.

Sure is funny to see people take a small bit of the overall speech and put a spin on it.

Gotta' hand it to you sink, I'm proud of you. ;-)

235 posted on 09/11/2002 9:00:45 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Green Knight
You still don't know if they asked for forgiveness. God gives each and everyone of us a chance at forgiveness. If you believe that, you have to believe that He gave it to them as well. We just don't know whether they took it.
236 posted on 09/11/2002 9:01:05 AM PDT by It's me
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To: Conservative til I die
Let me tell you something. I never have bashed the catholic church in my life although I was aware of the many atrocities it committed against my ancestors.

That changed yesterday when I was asking some sincere questions on another thread. I was shocked at the cult follower mentality. I started looking at catholic related posts. Saw so much deception and false teaching, etc. I decided to speak out. Answer one question. How do you justify your heavy use of idols in your worship houses in light of direct Biblical commands to the contrary?

237 posted on 09/11/2002 9:01:05 AM PDT by smoking camels
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To: sinkspur; RnMomof7
If it was God's "wish" that "nobody burn in hell," then nobody would burn in Hell.

God is God; His wishes are granite, and cannot be thwarted by you or me or bin Laden.

Whoever is burning in Hell is there because they are supposed to be there.

And every Muslim terrorist will burn in Hell, if God so wishes.

238 posted on 09/11/2002 9:01:50 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: justsomedude
Catholics are Christians, aren't they? They do believe the bible, don't they? The ones I know do.

Ok, then show me the passage of the Bible where someone prays for the salvation of a dead person.

239 posted on 09/11/2002 9:02:34 AM PDT by berned
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To: Aquinasfan
You are arrogant and conceited.

Pharisees!
240 posted on 09/11/2002 9:03:20 AM PDT by smoking camels
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