ON CNN now: OKC bombing Iraq connection

[newsperson999]

turn it on

[PJ-Comix]

it's over now..you can catch the rerun later.

When is the rerun?

[MoodyBlu]

Michael Smerconish, talk host on WPHT in Philly, had the lady with Lou Dobbs on last week. She will be coming to Philly on October 2nd for a 2 hour forum where she is to lay out all the evidence she has managed to gather pointing to an Iraq/OKC connection.

I believe that McVeigh was involved but after reading the piece by Micah Morrison in the WSJ last week, and listening to Jayna Davis, I am starting to believe there is something there.

MoodyBlu

[Wm Bach]

Thanks for the ping. This is the second big crack in the
media dam(n)...the first being the WSJ editorial.

[PJ-Comix]

Next stop: TWA Flt 800. Then: Vince Foster.

WHEN is Mark Fuhrman going to start work on writing a book about the Foster case? Yeah, I know he promised another book first but next year is the 10th anniversary of the Vince Foster "suicide." It would be good timing for a book on the Foster case to be release on that anniversary.

[GretchenEE]

bump

[Poohbah]

I'm aware of that...it's just a whole lot of people aren't...they didn't put out a lot of effort to find those "unnamed others" either, did they?

Don't confuse "not holding a press conference every day" with "not a whole lot of effort."

Also, methinks that McVeigh deliberately arranged to get himself arrested early (his behavior went well beyond "peculiar" and into "arrest me, flatfoot!"), in order to allow others to escape.

I've heard one guy say that ol' Timmy might have had GWS.

[Wolfstar]

The FBI under Mueller and Ashcroft also seem to want to do the same thing with last year's anthrax attack, although there's some strong "coincidental" ties between Atta's gang and the anthrax attack.

[seamus]

I've heard one guy say that ol' Timmy might have had GWS.

GWS?

[hove]

Boy if this is true, then I bet Ashcroft feels stupid. He couldn't wait to snuff the one guy who could connect the Iraqis to OKC....Tim McVeigh!

[Poohbah]

GWS = Gulf War Syndrome (or Groupware Server, if you're a geek :o)

[Poohbah]

He couldn't wait to snuff the one guy who could connect the Iraqis to OKC....Tim McVeigh!

Someone else HAS connected the Iraqis to OKC, so Timmy was obviously not the only guy who could do so. And Timmy wasn't going to rat anyone out--he viewed himself as some sort of brave, glorious warrior.

[Wolfstar]

No police sketch done from eyewitness memory is going to be as accurate as a photograph. There will inevitably be some differences in detail between such a sketch and the actual appearance of the real person. But the resemblance between OKC's John Doe #2 and Padilla (sp?) is uncanny. Does anyone know what age Padilla would have been back then?

[Diddle E. Squat]

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[Wm Bach]

The indictments against Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, and Michael Fortier all mentioned "unnamed others."

If it was your wife or child who was killed by McVeigh and "others", would you stop looking for the "others"? The FBI did, and actively discouraged further inquiry.

It's bad enough that we had murderous traitors like McVeigh and Nichols running around our nation. How about their enablers in the FBI?

[MainFrame65]

I have a personal hypothesis about Mr. Mcveigh. I think that he actually thought of himself as a patriot, and an enemy of a rogue government rather than an enemy of the Country. Further, I think that he believed that he was running his own operation to punish an out-of-control government for its misconduct.

I think he believed that he had found the resources and support he needed through his militia contacts, when in fact the Al Quaida found him and used him for their own scheme, and then abandoned him. And I think the reason he stopped his appeals was that he finally realized what a mistake he had made, and simply never wanted the story to come out. I believe that his execution without extracting more information from him was a serious mistake, but typical of the justice department at the time.

Any thoughts on this?

[doug from upland]

I don't know. I had sent Fuhrman an e-mail several months ago telling him that the FReepers were prepared to help.

[Wolfstar]

Poohbah, you have touched on something I have gradually come to believe about McVeigh, which is that he committed a form of "suicide by cop." There are aspects of his actions on the day of and subsequent to the bombing that are evocative of a suicide bomber. I think you may have hit very close to the truth.

[Poohbah]

My first reaction to McVeigh getting arrested in the manner he was was to say, "WTF is this, Amateur Night?"

[Wolfstar]

It's certainly a very plausible scenario. It wouldn't be too hard to manipulate a tightly wound "patriot" like McVeigh, who is seething with rage over Waco and other perceived signs of a "rogue" government. Also, as I mentioned in response to Poobah, there seemed to be clear suicide bomber characteristics to McVeigh's behavior.

[gunshy]

You're gonna get arrested if you don't stop smoking that stuff.