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Nickles predicts quick vote on Iraq
The Oklahoman ^ | 6 September 2002 | Chris Casteel

Posted on 09/06/2002 7:11:34 AM PDT by PhiKapMom

Nickles predicts quick vote on Iraq

2002-09-06
By Chris Casteel
The Oklahoman

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Don Nickles predicted Thursday that Congress will vote before mid- October on a resolution to give President Bush options -- including use of military force -- for dealing with the threat of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Nickles, R-Ponca City, who has attended three White House meetings on Iraq in the last two days, said he asked the president Wednesday whether he wanted Congress to pass a resolution authorizing force before lawmakers left Washington this year.

"He said yes," Nickles said.

Nickles, the Senate's assistant minority leader, said he expects Congress to leave town by Oct. 11 so lawmakers can campaign for the November elections.

"I see us voting on the (Iraqi) resolution in the next three or four or five weeks," Nickles said.

The House and Senate first must hold hearings and consult with administration and military officials and the CIA, he said.

"He put the Iraqi thing right on our plates," Nickles said. "We asked for it, and we got it. It's going to be a big challenge, and we only have five weeks legislatively."

Nickles said a resolution would give the president options, adding that a full-scale invasion isn't the only action being considered by the administration.

"I'm sure the administration wants it as flexible as possible, and I don't want to do one that isn't helpful or puts a lot of qualifications on it," Nickles said.

Nickles' comments came a day after the president said he would seek congressional approval to take action against Iraq.

Nickles and Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Tulsa, said, in seeking lawmakers' support, Bush did not say he would give Congress veto power over his authority.

While Nickles said it was important for Bush to say he wanted to work with Congress, Inhofe said a public debate was unnecessary.

Inhofe said the president has the authority to launch a pre-emptive attack and a public debate could give sensitive military information to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

Moreover, Inhofe said, a congressional debate would give a public forum to "people who are trying to use this issue politically."

Inhofe, a member of the Armed Services and Intelligence committees, said Congress shouldn't require Bush to meet certain thresholds of evidence that Iraq has the ability to deliver a weapon of mass destruction before an American invasion is launched.

"Every time you make a new requirement, you're taking from him his constitutional responsibility," Inhofe said.

Rep. Ernest Istook said Congress has a duty to debate military action against Iraq.

"If we're talking about removing a foreign government with a huge-scale invasion, that's clearly within the constitutional duties of Congress," said Istook, R- Warr Acres.

Istook said "any military action of this nature needs national unity" and involving Congress is the way to achieve that.

He said the Bush administration's comments on Iraq's development of weapons of mass destruction are "couched in a way that don't give us any detail."

Nickles said he asked Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to share enough intelligence with some members of Congress about the risk to the United States.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: congress; iraq; presbush; seninhofe; sennickles
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To: mwl1
That's what will get the Dems real bad. All we have to do is say this is a long war, and there is no substitute for victory. I think most people understand what we have to do, and if the Dems don't seem willing to do it...

Tough luck for them.
21 posted on 09/06/2002 8:18:51 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: BlackRazor
"Daschle can surely arrange that the hearings are still on-going at the time Congress adjourns on October 11"

I think we (the White House and Republican congressional leaders) then begin a hue and cry about "How dare congress go home when we are on the verge of war!" and totally put the Dems back on the defensive.

22 posted on 09/06/2002 8:22:26 AM PDT by The G Man
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To: BlackRazor
Daschle can surely arrange that the hearings are still on-going at the time Congress adjourns on October 11. That way the Dems don't have to go on record with a vote, but can still say that they are carefully debating this serious matter.

No Daschle can't. Bush would rip the Democrats to shreds if they tried to delay a vote. And he'd just call Congress back into special session, which would prevent everybody from campaigning in the critical weeks before the election and would focus the whole country's attention on the Democrat's obstructionism. Bush has the Dems between a rock and a hard place, especially since they were the ones most demanding Congressional involvement.

23 posted on 09/06/2002 8:24:54 AM PDT by dpwiener
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To: PhiKapMom
Glad to see that Oklahoma's senators have guts on this issue.

Here in Georgia, all I see is Zig-Zag Miller and Max (I'm a good ol' boy) Cleland. Hope we can elect Saxby Chambliss to replace Cleland this fall.
24 posted on 09/06/2002 8:37:45 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: The G Man
Bush played this beautifully.

'Jwalsh' commented on another thread it is "like watching Rembrandt paint."
Beautifully played indeed!

25 posted on 09/06/2002 8:38:13 AM PDT by MaeWest
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To: Ole Okie
I hope so too! Saxby Chambliss would be a great change in the Senate after Cleland!

The rest of the Country needs to catch up with Oklahoma in sending two great Senators to D.C.
26 posted on 09/06/2002 8:39:10 AM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: dpwiener
hutch and dpwiener are right. GWB has Daschle by the short hairs on this. They can't leave out town without a full public debate and vote and Daschle knows it. Political suicide for the RATS... let's hope they stupidly try it.
27 posted on 09/06/2002 8:39:40 AM PDT by mwl1
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To: realpatriot71
Let's see, where was the public debate about Guadalcanal? About North Africa? About D-Day?

It is nonsense to think you can wage a war with "public debate" about every battle. Unless, of course YOU don't think we are a) at war or b) should win . . . .

28 posted on 09/06/2002 9:15:36 AM PDT by LS
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To: kjam22
The problem with your analysis is that this "dog" is going to bite, anyway. If not directly, he will assist Al-Quaeda in delivering a nuke or gas or chemicals. We need to get rid of him, asap.
29 posted on 09/06/2002 9:17:08 AM PDT by LS
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To: hchutch
The "debate" is never-ending, and sends the message that Congress can micro-manage the war. The early parts of the War of 1812 taught us this is a prescription for disaster.
30 posted on 09/06/2002 9:19:09 AM PDT by LS
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To: PhiKapMom

31 posted on 09/06/2002 11:09:24 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: The G Man
Personally, I think Bush played this beautifully......

Amen !

32 posted on 09/06/2002 11:10:40 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: LS
The problem with your analysis is that this "dog" is going to bite, anyway. If not directly, he will assist Al-Quaeda in delivering a nuke or gas or chemicals. We need to get rid of him, asap.

I understand your thinking... and I'm not saying that I disagree with it. But I'm not sure it's right. We all know that he has chemical and biological weapons right now, and has had for sometime now. Yet it appears they have not been used by Al Quaeda against us... yet.

The more I think about this the more I think a nice carefully planned arkancide is the best way of taking care of Saddam.

If and when we send in the troops to flatten the place and take him out.... I don't know..... I think we better be on full alert. A declared war... and we better not be worried about a bunch of P.C. garbage.

33 posted on 09/06/2002 11:29:10 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: kjam22
Unlikely because North Korea doesn't want to be nuked. They definitely won't risk being linked to a WMD attack if they know we will not hesitate to crush them. If they just stay out of the way their leaders can remain in power for a while longer; but if they are found to have a part in a nuclear attack, they will most certainly be destroyed.

They wait now to see if the United States will be strong, or if it will compromise and back down, as it has a long and unfortunate history of doing. If we retreat or soften, then our enemies will be encouraged and will be more likely to aid regimes like Hussein's. Terrorism and state sponsored terrorism always increases when the US waffles. Weakness will always be exploited, as surely as water flows downhill. But if we act decisively, they will quickly rein in terrorists and obscure all trails linking them to terrorists, and get out of harm's way. So they wait now because they are no longer sure the US is as weak as advertised.

34 posted on 09/06/2002 12:18:52 PM PDT by piasa
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To: PhiKapMom
Bolded in article is mine and I wanted to highlight the statement above by my two Senators. Believe it says it all!

Thanks for keying me to this. Great article.

35 posted on 09/06/2002 12:39:09 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: PhiKapMom
Thanks for posting this.

Da$$hole is like a little kid who just learned how to play chess trying to play with a master who can play 20 boards at once while blindfolded and win.

Besides taking away CFR and other non issues, now GW has as per Da$$hole's whining, placed the issue of Iraq right on little Tommy's Lap.

Careful what you wish for Little Tommy Da$$hole, GW just might give it to you!
36 posted on 09/06/2002 12:54:41 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: kjam22
The problem with an "arkanacide" is two fold: if it is done quietly, then one of his sons merely fills in, nothing changes. Second, though, we don't want just him gone---we want the "regime" changed, and publically, so that there is no question who did this and why.

Now, the problem with a declaration of war in modern times is that it just won't happen. We did not get a declaration of war against Nazi Germany even after they sank a couple of our ships and killed some of our sailors; ditto WW I. National security interests dictate that you do not wait until the other guy---who cleverly waits until he has everything in place---slaughters you. Br. did not, if I recall, declare war on Argentina; we did not declare war on Korea.

I know it is frustrating, and now what you want (nor I), but the world anymore hates terms like "war" and will not sanction them in anything short of a full scale invasion of the U.S. Meanwhile, we leave ourselves open to more 9/11s.

As for Saddam, the evidence is in and growing that 1) he has the weapons, and if not nukes, soon; 2) he is already harboring the Al-quaeda, making him no different than the taliban; and 3) there is evidence enough to connect him tangentially to 9/11.

37 posted on 09/06/2002 2:09:16 PM PDT by LS
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To: PhiKapMom
Support Don Nickles for the next Majority Leader of the Senate and Senator Inhofe to head Armed Services.

Sounds like a winner to me!

I was kinda' jolted awake yesterday when Hugh Hewitt rattled off a few of
the major Democratic Senators who voted against Papa Bush's resolution for
Desert Storm...I couldn't believe that Sam Nunn of Georgia had voted NO.

The upcoming debate and vote are gonna' be something else!
38 posted on 09/06/2002 3:07:07 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Wait4Truth
I think there should be debate but not in public.

Is there such a thing as a private debate on military affairs or defense policy...
when at least one Democrat is sitting at the table?

OK, rhetorical, broad-brush question...and there are surely some Republicans
with loose lips as well.
I'm in agreement with you...but suspect that Dubya wouldn't have gone this route
unless he has some "smoking guns" to roll out and make the reluctant Demos look like
idiots for voting against going after Sadaam. And on camera and live, no less.
39 posted on 09/06/2002 3:10:49 PM PDT by VOA
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To: kjam22
The Islamic terrorist network cannot get "dramatically more dangerous". They blew up downtown Manhattan. They are not holding back out of love of us, or because they don't feel particularly cornered. They are not holding back at all. They hit everything they can get away with. Then the weak kneed say we shouldn't fight back because it might make them really mad, or desperate, or something. But whatever, we sure shouldn't fight back. Stark raving nonsense. The hit us with all their might and main, and you worry about making them feel desperate or upset. When do they worry about making us upset by blowing up downtown Manhattan?
40 posted on 09/06/2002 3:18:15 PM PDT by JasonC
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