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THOMAS JEFFERSON ON CHRISTIANITY & RELIGION
nonbeliefs.com ^ | Jim Walker

Posted on 09/05/2002 7:57:50 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State

THOMAS JEFFERSON ON CHRISTIANITY & RELIGION

Compiled by Jim Walker

"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."

-Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782)


It spite of Christian right attempts to rewrite history to make Jefferson into a Christian, little about his philosophy resembles that of Christianity. Although Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence wrote of the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God, there exists nothing in the Declaration about Christianity.

Although Jefferson believed in a Creator, his concept of it resembled that of the god of deism (the term "Nature's God" used by deists of the time). With his scientific bent, Jefferson sought to organize his thoughts on religion. He rejected the superstitions and mysticism of Christianity and even went so far as to edit the gospels, removing the miracles and mysticism of Jesus (see The Jefferson Bible) leaving only what he deemed the correct moral philosophy of Jesus.

Distortions of history occur in the minds of many Christians whenever they see the word "God" embossed in statue or memorial concrete . For example, those who visit the Jefferson Memorial in Washington will read Jefferson's words engraved: "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every from of tyranny over the mind of man." When they see the word "God" many Christians see this as "proof" of his Christianity without thinking that 'God' can have many definitions ranging from nature to supernatural. Yet how many of them realize that this passage aimed at attacking the tyranny of the Christian clergy of Philadelphia, or that Jefferson's God was not the personal god of Christianity? Those memorial words came from a letter written to Benjamin Rush in 1800 in response to Rush's warning about the Philadelphia clergy attacking Jefferson (Jefferson was seen as an infidel by his enemies during his election for President). The complete statement reads as follows:

"The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes, & they [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: & enough too in their opinion, & this is the cause of their printing lying pamphlets against me. . ."

Jefferson aimed at laissez-faire liberalism in the name of individual freedom, He felt that any form of government control, not only of religion, but of individual mercantilism consisted of tyranny. He thought that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.

If anything can clear of the misconceptions of Jeffersonian history, it can come best from the author himself. Although Jefferson had a complex view of religion, too vast for this article, the following quotes provide a glimpse of how Thomas Jefferson viewed the corruptions of Christianity and religion.


Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.


But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.


What is it men cannot be made to believe!

-Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)


Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787


Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom


I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")


I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789


They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.

-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800


Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802


History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.


The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814


Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814


In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814


If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814


You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819


As you say of yourslef, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819


Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820


To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820


Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind.

-Thomas Jefferson to James Smith, 1822.


I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823


And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823


It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825


All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826 (in the last letter he penned)



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To: RonF
The Constitution says "...Congress shall make no law..."
101 posted on 09/08/2002 2:12:22 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: jlogajan
Secular nation?

Thanks to atheism/evolution---SATAN nation!

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/PSYCHO-EVO/NWO Soviet-LIBERAL-Socialist America---

the post-modern age of switch-flip-spin-DEFORMITY-cancer...

Atheist secular materialists through ATHEISM/evolution CHANGED-REMOVED the foundations...demolished the wall(separation of state/religion)--trampled the TRUTH-GOD...built a satanic temple/SWAMP-MALARIA/RELIGION(cult of darwin-marx-satan) over them---made these absolutes subordinate--relative...

REDACTING them

and calling/CHANGING---

all the... residuals---technology/science === TO evolution via schlock/sMUCK IDEOLOGY/lies/bias...

to substantiate/justify/validate their efforts--claims...social engineering--PC--atheism...

anti-God/Truth RELIGION(USSC monopoly)---

and declared a crusade/WAR--JIHAD--INTOLERANCE/TYRANNY(breaking the establishment clause)...

against God--man--society/SCIENCE(religious oath-TEST for office)!!

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Good News For The Day

‘But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.’ (Matthew 6:33)

"Once there was a change in our family situation. Our pet dog passed away and we salved our grief by acquiring a new one-a blue cattle pup. He was intelligent and very mischievous. We had a lot of fun with him. while he was small, he would amuse us by trying to catch his own tail and bite it. He would spy the tip of his tail out of the corner of his eye, and, readying himself, lunge at it, as if hunting prey. But of course, the more he pounced, the more his tail moved out of his reach. The only way a dog can really have its tail is to allow it to be an attachment to its main body."

"The... tail comes along just fine---when it is not its owner's preoccupation."

"Jesus advises us that though there are many good and important things, only one can be most important-the kingdom of God and his righteousness. First things must come first. All of life, with its experiences, decisions and relationships, needs to be evaluated in light of the highest ideal."

"When God is given pride of place, the machinery of existence operates at its best."

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Creation/God...Christianity---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress(no evolution...none---ever...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH--scientific expertise(not evo--whack moonie marx-darwin-zombie swill)!

102 posted on 09/08/2002 2:14:55 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: hoosierskypilot
Where I was going with my first statement was that it seems to me that the Founding Fathers, many of whom were Christian (probably most), didn't mention Jesus in the Constitution so that no one would think that the United States was a "Christian" nation, in the sense that Christianity was the official religion of the United States, or that it's laws as a matter of policy were intended to explicitly or overtly conform to Christian ideals (although I'm sure that many of the Founding Fathers and early leaders intended that they would make individual efforts to make the latter happen).

Your last statement about federal officials is confusing.

I refer to Article VI, Paragraph 3 of the Constitution:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

I am not familiar with the case you cite, but it would be my guess that requiring someone to swear by God was interpreted as a religious test.

103 posted on 09/08/2002 2:17:07 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Roscoe
I'm sorry. Your point?
104 posted on 09/08/2002 2:17:55 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
Were you referring to Congress or a local public school?
105 posted on 09/08/2002 2:19:40 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe; All
Macro evolution/atheism is fantasy... science fiction political cult(RELIGION)---

micro evolution is manipulating/fabricating(re-wording/working)---reality/science(creation)!

Yeah...witchcraft/hunters---vetters(devils)!

106 posted on 09/08/2002 2:24:45 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: medved
To: Dimensio
As I see it, evolution is an ideological doctrine. If it were only a "scientific theory", it would have died a natural death 50 - 70 years ago; the evidence against it is too overwhelming and has been all along. The people defending it are doing so because they do not like the alternatives to an atheistic basis for science and do not like the logical implications of abandoning their atheistic paradigm and, in conducting themselves that way, they have achieved a degree of immunity to what most people call logic.

488 posted on 7/29/02 5:18 AM Pacific by medved

Main Entry: log·ic

Pronunciation: 'lä-jik
Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English logik, from Middle French logique, from Latin logica, from Greek logikE, from feminine of logikos of reason, from logos reason -- more at LEGEND

Date: 12th century

1 a

(1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning

(2) : a branch or variety of logic

(3) : a branch of semiotic; especially : SYNTACTICS

(4) : the formal principles of a branch of knowledge

b (1) : a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty

(2) : RELEVANCE, PROPRIETY

c : interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable

d : the arrangement of circuit elements (as in a computer) needed for computation; also : the circuits themselves

2 : something that forces a decision apart from or in opposition to reason < the logic of war >

- lo·gi·cian /lO-'ji-sh&n/ noun

107 posted on 09/08/2002 2:35:31 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: RonF
So far I don't see a refutation of my arguement here

What's to refute Ron? Your argument that an accomodation paid for by the citizens of that town is not the public square? You torture the notion. If the citizens pay for it, then it is the public square subject to all manner of federal and state regulation. If it were a private club, you could certainly ban the word God, or women or white guys with big bellies. You can't.

108 posted on 09/08/2002 3:26:06 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Enemy Of The State
Okay. So TJ wasn't a Christian. His loss.

The Constitution still doesn't say anything about a wall of separation between church and state.

109 posted on 09/08/2002 4:29:38 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: Texas Eagle
"Okay. So TJ wasn't a Christian. His loss."

His loss?
only in your opinion and everyone elses small mind that has no respect for other beliefs. IMHO, Christians are no different than Muslims because neither have any respect for for any other belief other than their own and they both look down upon anyone who does happen to believe differently than they do...thats why they continue to push people away from them.

110 posted on 09/08/2002 5:41:49 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
His loss? only in your opinion and everyone elses small mind that has no respect for other beliefs. IMHO, Christians are no different than Muslims because neither have any respect for for any other belief other than their own and they both look down upon anyone who does happen to believe differently than they do...thats why they continue to push people away from them.

Hmmm....sounds to me like you're doing some looking down on others your own self. But that's okay, huh?

Indeed, the entire purpose of the article was an effort to lift someone (I'm not saying who) up by tearing others (Christians) down. This is typical behavior from one who suffers from lack of self-worth. But for some strange reason, such people tend to lash out others instead of simply accepting that Jesus died on the cross for them.

111 posted on 09/08/2002 6:02:44 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: jwalsh07
Your argument that an accomodation paid for by the citizens of that town is not the public square? You torture the notion. If the citizens pay for it, then it is the public square ...

O.K., so your belief is that anything that the citizens pay for is the "public square"?

... subject to all manner of federal and state regulation.

When you say "the public square", I think of something simple, like the village square, Boston Common, Central Park, public land, where I can stand up and say what I wish within the bounds of decency and safety. Your definition of the public square includes military bases. If you think a military base is "the public square", I submit it's you who torture the definition, not me.

112 posted on 09/08/2002 7:52:43 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Roscoe
Shoot, Roscoe, I've gotten lost on this with you. I do apologize. Where were we?
113 posted on 09/08/2002 8:00:21 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Texas Eagle
"Hmmm....sounds to me like you're doing some looking down on others your own self. But that's okay, huh?

Indeed, the entire purpose of the article was an effort to lift someone (I'm not saying who) up by tearing others (Christians) down. This is typical behavior from one who suffers from lack of self-worth. But for some strange reason, such people tend to lash out others instead of simply accepting that Jesus died on the cross for them."

Im not looking down on anyone, just simply stating my own personal observations. It has been my experience that Christians really dont have any more tollerance for other religions than do the Muslims. I tried exploring the Christian faith before and all I found was hypocracy. It was however Ironic that my late fiance who was from mainland China, knew more about being a "Christian" than any other so called "Christian" that I had ever met in the US. I guess thats why she gave her life to save someone else. Though she never had a bible to read from or a church to attend, she looked forward to having both when coming to the US and she hoped to learn what it meant to be a "Christian" but to me, I think she could have instead taught what it meant. Though I subscribe to no particular faith I do respect all others even if I do not agree with them. If any mans religion makes he or she a better mirror image of themself, who am I to say that their beliefs are wrong? Sadly, those who claim to have religious faith (with the exception of Buddhists) do not feel this way. Else they would not spend so much time trying to convert the other.

114 posted on 09/08/2002 8:45:34 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
Im not looking down on anyone, just simply stating my own personal observations.
Ohhhhhh....I see....that crack about Christians having small minds wasn't an example of you looking down on others, it was just a personal observation. LOL. Typical copout. I guess it must be one of those "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" things.

I tried exploring the Christian faith before and all I found was hypocracy.
you talking about the type of hypocrisy where one calls another "small minded" and then belly-aches that the small-minded person looks down upon the one who calls the other small-minded?

It has been my experience that Christians really dont have any more tollerance for other religions than do the Muslims.
Then why do Christians in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, China and other places have to do their work underground.

It was however Ironic that my late fiance who was from mainland China, knew more about being a "Christian" than any other so called "Christian" that I had ever met in the US.
Ironic in what way?In that your fiance had to meet in caves and/or under constant threat of being arrested and tortured by the "tolerant" anti-Christian Chinese government?

. If any mans religion makes he or she a better mirror image of themself, who am I to say that their beliefs are wrong?
Is this a trick question?

Sadly, those who claim to have religious faith (with the exception of Buddhists) do not feel this way.
Buddhists don't think other religions are wrong? What's the point in being a Buddhist then?

115 posted on 09/08/2002 10:20:31 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: Texas Eagle

"Ohhhhhh....I see....that crack about Christians having small minds wasn't an example of you looking down on others, it was just a personal observation. LOL. Typical copout. I guess it must be one of those "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" things. "

For one thing pal, I didnt say CHRISTIANS have small minds...I said others who have small minds...but if the shoe fits..

you talking about the type of hypocrisy where one calls another "small minded" and then belly-aches that the small-minded person looks down upon the one who calls the other small-minded?

Nice try...Your rediculous little comment has been noted

Then why do Christians in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, China and other places have to do their work underground.

You totally went way off base. If Christians had any tollerance for other faiths then they wouldnt condem others for their beliefs or try to convert them

Ironic in what way?In that your fiance had to meet in caves and/or under constant threat of being arrested and tortured by the "tolerant" anti-Christian Chinese government?

Did I say she had to meet in caves? No I didnt so dont put words in my mouth. Have you ever been to China? Do you know first hand what goes on or do you just subscribe to second hand literature?

Is this a trick question?

awww..is that the best answer you could come up with?


Buddhists don't think other religions are wrong? What's the point in being a Buddhist then?

I guess you have no understanding of Buddhist faith or any other for that matter...When was the last time you saw or heard of a Buddhist killing another man becauase he or she believed differently than him? Ever heard of a Buddhist crusade? DIdnt think so!

 

116 posted on 09/08/2002 10:41:02 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Looking for Diogenes
I have seen various percentages. I thought you said it doesn't matter.It does matter,however. America is 85% Christian and the Supreme Court in the past has even called America is a Christian nation. What matters is that for the past 50 years Christians have bent over backwards to the religious (or non religious) sensitivites of others.The culture has changed.Crime has sky-rocketed,education scores have plummeted and so on.The more we give the louder the shrill has been from the extreme left wing.It is all or nothing with that bunch.We aren't giving in anymore.It is going to stop. Thanks for the post ,though .You see the more we have CRAP like this shoved down our throat the more mobolized we become. Thanks, sgain. We aren't backing down anymore so keep it up. You will just activate more Christians and it will work against you.
117 posted on 09/09/2002 3:18:42 AM PDT by moteineye
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To: jwalsh07
Maybe if someone doesn't want their child to pray in school
then they should send their child to a private school.
Support,http://www.reclaimamerica.org

118 posted on 09/09/2002 3:22:36 AM PDT by moteineye
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To: Enemy Of The State
SUPPORT www.aclj.org
119 posted on 09/09/2002 3:24:19 AM PDT by moteineye
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To: moteineye
again, www.aclj.org
120 posted on 09/09/2002 3:26:14 AM PDT by moteineye
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