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THOMAS JEFFERSON ON CHRISTIANITY & RELIGION
nonbeliefs.com ^ | Jim Walker

Posted on 09/05/2002 7:57:50 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State

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To: RonF
The Constitution says "...Congress shall make no law..."
101 posted on 09/08/2002 2:12:22 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: jlogajan
Secular nation?

Thanks to atheism/evolution---SATAN nation!

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/PSYCHO-EVO/NWO Soviet-LIBERAL-Socialist America---

the post-modern age of switch-flip-spin-DEFORMITY-cancer...

Atheist secular materialists through ATHEISM/evolution CHANGED-REMOVED the foundations...demolished the wall(separation of state/religion)--trampled the TRUTH-GOD...built a satanic temple/SWAMP-MALARIA/RELIGION(cult of darwin-marx-satan) over them---made these absolutes subordinate--relative...

REDACTING them

and calling/CHANGING---

all the... residuals---technology/science === TO evolution via schlock/sMUCK IDEOLOGY/lies/bias...

to substantiate/justify/validate their efforts--claims...social engineering--PC--atheism...

anti-God/Truth RELIGION(USSC monopoly)---

and declared a crusade/WAR--JIHAD--INTOLERANCE/TYRANNY(breaking the establishment clause)...

against God--man--society/SCIENCE(religious oath-TEST for office)!!

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Good News For The Day

‘But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.’ (Matthew 6:33)

"Once there was a change in our family situation. Our pet dog passed away and we salved our grief by acquiring a new one-a blue cattle pup. He was intelligent and very mischievous. We had a lot of fun with him. while he was small, he would amuse us by trying to catch his own tail and bite it. He would spy the tip of his tail out of the corner of his eye, and, readying himself, lunge at it, as if hunting prey. But of course, the more he pounced, the more his tail moved out of his reach. The only way a dog can really have its tail is to allow it to be an attachment to its main body."

"The... tail comes along just fine---when it is not its owner's preoccupation."

"Jesus advises us that though there are many good and important things, only one can be most important-the kingdom of God and his righteousness. First things must come first. All of life, with its experiences, decisions and relationships, needs to be evaluated in light of the highest ideal."

"When God is given pride of place, the machinery of existence operates at its best."

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Creation/God...Christianity---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress(no evolution...none---ever...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH--scientific expertise(not evo--whack moonie marx-darwin-zombie swill)!

102 posted on 09/08/2002 2:14:55 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: hoosierskypilot
Where I was going with my first statement was that it seems to me that the Founding Fathers, many of whom were Christian (probably most), didn't mention Jesus in the Constitution so that no one would think that the United States was a "Christian" nation, in the sense that Christianity was the official religion of the United States, or that it's laws as a matter of policy were intended to explicitly or overtly conform to Christian ideals (although I'm sure that many of the Founding Fathers and early leaders intended that they would make individual efforts to make the latter happen).

Your last statement about federal officials is confusing.

I refer to Article VI, Paragraph 3 of the Constitution:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

I am not familiar with the case you cite, but it would be my guess that requiring someone to swear by God was interpreted as a religious test.

103 posted on 09/08/2002 2:17:07 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Roscoe
I'm sorry. Your point?
104 posted on 09/08/2002 2:17:55 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
Were you referring to Congress or a local public school?
105 posted on 09/08/2002 2:19:40 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe; All
Macro evolution/atheism is fantasy... science fiction political cult(RELIGION)---

micro evolution is manipulating/fabricating(re-wording/working)---reality/science(creation)!

Yeah...witchcraft/hunters---vetters(devils)!

106 posted on 09/08/2002 2:24:45 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: medved
To: Dimensio
As I see it, evolution is an ideological doctrine. If it were only a "scientific theory", it would have died a natural death 50 - 70 years ago; the evidence against it is too overwhelming and has been all along. The people defending it are doing so because they do not like the alternatives to an atheistic basis for science and do not like the logical implications of abandoning their atheistic paradigm and, in conducting themselves that way, they have achieved a degree of immunity to what most people call logic.

488 posted on 7/29/02 5:18 AM Pacific by medved

Main Entry: log·ic

Pronunciation: 'lä-jik
Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English logik, from Middle French logique, from Latin logica, from Greek logikE, from feminine of logikos of reason, from logos reason -- more at LEGEND

Date: 12th century

1 a

(1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning

(2) : a branch or variety of logic

(3) : a branch of semiotic; especially : SYNTACTICS

(4) : the formal principles of a branch of knowledge

b (1) : a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty

(2) : RELEVANCE, PROPRIETY

c : interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable

d : the arrangement of circuit elements (as in a computer) needed for computation; also : the circuits themselves

2 : something that forces a decision apart from or in opposition to reason < the logic of war >

- lo·gi·cian /lO-'ji-sh&n/ noun

107 posted on 09/08/2002 2:35:31 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: RonF
So far I don't see a refutation of my arguement here

What's to refute Ron? Your argument that an accomodation paid for by the citizens of that town is not the public square? You torture the notion. If the citizens pay for it, then it is the public square subject to all manner of federal and state regulation. If it were a private club, you could certainly ban the word God, or women or white guys with big bellies. You can't.

108 posted on 09/08/2002 3:26:06 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Enemy Of The State
Okay. So TJ wasn't a Christian. His loss.

The Constitution still doesn't say anything about a wall of separation between church and state.

109 posted on 09/08/2002 4:29:38 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: Texas Eagle
"Okay. So TJ wasn't a Christian. His loss."

His loss?
only in your opinion and everyone elses small mind that has no respect for other beliefs. IMHO, Christians are no different than Muslims because neither have any respect for for any other belief other than their own and they both look down upon anyone who does happen to believe differently than they do...thats why they continue to push people away from them.

110 posted on 09/08/2002 5:41:49 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
His loss? only in your opinion and everyone elses small mind that has no respect for other beliefs. IMHO, Christians are no different than Muslims because neither have any respect for for any other belief other than their own and they both look down upon anyone who does happen to believe differently than they do...thats why they continue to push people away from them.

Hmmm....sounds to me like you're doing some looking down on others your own self. But that's okay, huh?

Indeed, the entire purpose of the article was an effort to lift someone (I'm not saying who) up by tearing others (Christians) down. This is typical behavior from one who suffers from lack of self-worth. But for some strange reason, such people tend to lash out others instead of simply accepting that Jesus died on the cross for them.

111 posted on 09/08/2002 6:02:44 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: jwalsh07
Your argument that an accomodation paid for by the citizens of that town is not the public square? You torture the notion. If the citizens pay for it, then it is the public square ...

O.K., so your belief is that anything that the citizens pay for is the "public square"?

... subject to all manner of federal and state regulation.

When you say "the public square", I think of something simple, like the village square, Boston Common, Central Park, public land, where I can stand up and say what I wish within the bounds of decency and safety. Your definition of the public square includes military bases. If you think a military base is "the public square", I submit it's you who torture the definition, not me.

112 posted on 09/08/2002 7:52:43 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Roscoe
Shoot, Roscoe, I've gotten lost on this with you. I do apologize. Where were we?
113 posted on 09/08/2002 8:00:21 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Texas Eagle
"Hmmm....sounds to me like you're doing some looking down on others your own self. But that's okay, huh?

Indeed, the entire purpose of the article was an effort to lift someone (I'm not saying who) up by tearing others (Christians) down. This is typical behavior from one who suffers from lack of self-worth. But for some strange reason, such people tend to lash out others instead of simply accepting that Jesus died on the cross for them."

Im not looking down on anyone, just simply stating my own personal observations. It has been my experience that Christians really dont have any more tollerance for other religions than do the Muslims. I tried exploring the Christian faith before and all I found was hypocracy. It was however Ironic that my late fiance who was from mainland China, knew more about being a "Christian" than any other so called "Christian" that I had ever met in the US. I guess thats why she gave her life to save someone else. Though she never had a bible to read from or a church to attend, she looked forward to having both when coming to the US and she hoped to learn what it meant to be a "Christian" but to me, I think she could have instead taught what it meant. Though I subscribe to no particular faith I do respect all others even if I do not agree with them. If any mans religion makes he or she a better mirror image of themself, who am I to say that their beliefs are wrong? Sadly, those who claim to have religious faith (with the exception of Buddhists) do not feel this way. Else they would not spend so much time trying to convert the other.

114 posted on 09/08/2002 8:45:34 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
Im not looking down on anyone, just simply stating my own personal observations.
Ohhhhhh....I see....that crack about Christians having small minds wasn't an example of you looking down on others, it was just a personal observation. LOL. Typical copout. I guess it must be one of those "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" things.

I tried exploring the Christian faith before and all I found was hypocracy.
you talking about the type of hypocrisy where one calls another "small minded" and then belly-aches that the small-minded person looks down upon the one who calls the other small-minded?

It has been my experience that Christians really dont have any more tollerance for other religions than do the Muslims.
Then why do Christians in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, China and other places have to do their work underground.

It was however Ironic that my late fiance who was from mainland China, knew more about being a "Christian" than any other so called "Christian" that I had ever met in the US.
Ironic in what way?In that your fiance had to meet in caves and/or under constant threat of being arrested and tortured by the "tolerant" anti-Christian Chinese government?

. If any mans religion makes he or she a better mirror image of themself, who am I to say that their beliefs are wrong?
Is this a trick question?

Sadly, those who claim to have religious faith (with the exception of Buddhists) do not feel this way.
Buddhists don't think other religions are wrong? What's the point in being a Buddhist then?

115 posted on 09/08/2002 10:20:31 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: Texas Eagle

"Ohhhhhh....I see....that crack about Christians having small minds wasn't an example of you looking down on others, it was just a personal observation. LOL. Typical copout. I guess it must be one of those "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" things. "

For one thing pal, I didnt say CHRISTIANS have small minds...I said others who have small minds...but if the shoe fits..

you talking about the type of hypocrisy where one calls another "small minded" and then belly-aches that the small-minded person looks down upon the one who calls the other small-minded?

Nice try...Your rediculous little comment has been noted

Then why do Christians in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, China and other places have to do their work underground.

You totally went way off base. If Christians had any tollerance for other faiths then they wouldnt condem others for their beliefs or try to convert them

Ironic in what way?In that your fiance had to meet in caves and/or under constant threat of being arrested and tortured by the "tolerant" anti-Christian Chinese government?

Did I say she had to meet in caves? No I didnt so dont put words in my mouth. Have you ever been to China? Do you know first hand what goes on or do you just subscribe to second hand literature?

Is this a trick question?

awww..is that the best answer you could come up with?


Buddhists don't think other religions are wrong? What's the point in being a Buddhist then?

I guess you have no understanding of Buddhist faith or any other for that matter...When was the last time you saw or heard of a Buddhist killing another man becauase he or she believed differently than him? Ever heard of a Buddhist crusade? DIdnt think so!

 

116 posted on 09/08/2002 10:41:02 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Looking for Diogenes
I have seen various percentages. I thought you said it doesn't matter.It does matter,however. America is 85% Christian and the Supreme Court in the past has even called America is a Christian nation. What matters is that for the past 50 years Christians have bent over backwards to the religious (or non religious) sensitivites of others.The culture has changed.Crime has sky-rocketed,education scores have plummeted and so on.The more we give the louder the shrill has been from the extreme left wing.It is all or nothing with that bunch.We aren't giving in anymore.It is going to stop. Thanks for the post ,though .You see the more we have CRAP like this shoved down our throat the more mobolized we become. Thanks, sgain. We aren't backing down anymore so keep it up. You will just activate more Christians and it will work against you.
117 posted on 09/09/2002 3:18:42 AM PDT by moteineye
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To: jwalsh07
Maybe if someone doesn't want their child to pray in school
then they should send their child to a private school.
Support,http://www.reclaimamerica.org

118 posted on 09/09/2002 3:22:36 AM PDT by moteineye
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To: Enemy Of The State
SUPPORT www.aclj.org
119 posted on 09/09/2002 3:24:19 AM PDT by moteineye
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To: moteineye
again, www.aclj.org
120 posted on 09/09/2002 3:26:14 AM PDT by moteineye
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