Posted on 08/31/2002 1:38:51 PM PDT by Jean S
It's enough to make me change my screen name to Mad_FreeReign -- I see why you're mad.
The next time the U.S. finds a German murderer or a terrorist on the loose in Germany, we won't allow them to be tried UNLESS Germany promises to execute them.
Doesn't sound too fun when we play the game, does it Mr. Schouder?
These are the same people who say that Saddam is not a danger, and they wonder why we don't care what they have to say. God! These morons have learned absolutely NOTHING since the 30's, they're the same people, making the same mistakes, with the same arrogance.
What a bunch of losers.
I am not saying that the Britons are like the Continentals. However, Britain has signed on to the Continentals' body of law in the form of the European Union.
As a result, as the Associated Press article referenced below points out:
"Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights bars Britain and the other signatories from extraditing prisoners if they could face capital punishment."
Therefore, as the Sunday Telegraph reported in October, 2001:
"Home Secretary David Blunkett had told American officials he would approve extradition only if the United States waived the right to impose the death penalty" in the case of terrorist suspects.
It is true that Britons are not like Continentals. That is why it is so mind-boggling to me that Britain signed away even portions of it's sovereignty to the European Union.
European unity is not a bad thing. That is why the U.S. has encouraged it for decades. However, Britain should have fought harder to retain it's full sovereignty and make the Continent become more like Britain rather than allowing Britain to become more like the Continent.
Regards,
Polybius
U.S. death penalty could prove hurdle to extradition of terror suspects from Britain
Associated Press
10/8/01
European human-rights legislation may hinder Britain from extraditing suspects in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks who could face the death penalty in the United States, a government official said Sunday. Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights bars Britain and the other signatories from extraditing prisoners if they could face capital punishment. There is no death penalty in any of the 15 member nations of the European Union.
The Sunday Telegraph newspaper reported that Home Secretary David Blunkett had told American officials he would approve extradition only if the United States waived the right to impose the death penalty. U.S. officials may want to extradite Lotfi Raissi, an Algerian pilot who prosecutors say instructed some of the hijackers on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon. Raissi was arrested in London Sept. 21 on a U.S. warrant and could face charges of conspiracy to murder.
On Sunday, Blunkett acknowledged that the government could "spend years losing" legal challenges if it contravened Article 3. But he said he was not seeking a "blanket commitment" from the United States that the death penalty would not be imposed. Blunkett told the British Broadcasting Corp. that officials would "find ways round the situation." He added: "We will ensure that we do what the rest of the world expect, which is to get people back to them when they're a democracy, when they have a perfectly open and accountable judicial system and where they know that someone is suspected of carrying out a terrorist act."
Shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, European Union leaders agreed to streamline extradition procedures within the union and said they also wanted to make it easier for suspects to be extradited to the United States, but sought assurances from Washington that those handed over will not face death sentences. Belgian Justice Minister Marc Verwilghen said at the time that extradition could not proceed until the death penalty issue was resolved. "We always have said in the EU that the execution of the death penalty is not an option," Verwilghen said.
ROFLMBO!
They've rationalized themselves into irrelevance.
I couldn't care less what they "think."
Bump
Our friend the Mercedes dealer came from Germany in 1970 and would not go back; did so once, all has changed.
Would someone say a swing from the rightist Hitler to the leftist Schroder?
Eric Hoffer, author of The True Believer, would say the same psyche, the same retreat from freedom and hunger for orders.
Joseph Stalin's New Soviet Man and Orwell's projection of newthink in 1984 posit a state robot incapable of seeing the logic in the opposing argument.
In the case of Moussaoui, the German state has forfeited sovereignty, and conforms to the European Union diktat against the death penalty.
That this German state provided the engineers to design Saddam Hussein's bunker complex is lost on Germans.
That there continues to be a thriving German trade with terrorist states causes not a ripple, not a blink.
That the withholding of evidence in the Moussaoui case increases the likelihood that terror attacks will be successsful is not considered.
How closely this parallels the French defender of Moussaoui, the fiance of Carlos the Jackal.
The Tyranny of the Two-Year-Old: there shall be humanitarianism only when I say!
Let the consequences fall on their heads, from the sky, leaving them a moment of terrible enlightenment.
As I read it, they're not just chastising us, they're withholding evidence in order to persuade us to adopt portions of their "historically proven" legal system.
I like it. Start with one visa denial and double it every week. 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256,… in a couple of months no one enters.
My guess it he'd been through hell, and I don't have a clue where his mind was at that moment.
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