1 posted on
08/28/2002 5:16:11 PM PDT by
45Auto
To: 45Auto
boomp
To: 45Auto
"We must conclude that Congress seeks to abrogate administrative and judicial rights it created, by using funding bills, after declining to address actual amendments to or revocation of the creating statute. "Its a very neat and totally illegal method of denying a citizen his Constitutional rights. Denial of rights by refusing to fund a review process. Rotten bastards.
3 posted on
08/28/2002 5:24:13 PM PDT by
45Auto
To: 45Auto
...this includes foreign felony convictions for the crime of smuggling bibles into Communist countries or teaching Christianity in certain Islamic countries. Don't you know that Bible smugglers are a menace? /sarcasm.
I can see why the government wants to keep guns away from violent people. But non-violent people are another matter. Bible smugglers, now that is going a bit too far. LOL!
To: 45Auto; *bang_list; Joe Brower; wardaddy; Squantos
Bang!
To: 45Auto
I'm constantly amazed at how anti-gun this administrations actions have been. They spout nice phrases from time to time, but offer =no= actions to back up their words. How utterly typical of republican politicians.
7 posted on
08/28/2002 5:58:28 PM PDT by
zeugma
To: 45Auto
Grass roots gun rights activists are aware of this and if Bush does not change soon, his anti-gun policies may harm the election chances of other establishment Republicans. I have to laugh at this. How many Americans even KNOW anyone who's committed a felony, much less having committed a felony themselves?
Felons shouldn't have guns. Period.
I'd think time would be better spent elsewhere than in trying to make the case to let criminals possess firearms.
9 posted on
08/28/2002 6:01:29 PM PDT by
sinkspur
To: 45Auto
Felons give up all kinds of rights. Liberty, the pursuit of happiness and sometimes the big one, life.
Bush/Ashcroft have made it quite clear that the RTKABA is an INDIVIDUAL right.
Find me another administration who has taken that position.
12 posted on
08/28/2002 6:18:48 PM PDT by
jwalsh07
To: 45Auto
Bush stated flat out that he and Ashcroft would strictly inforce the gun laws on the books.
To: 45Auto
Actually, the government's appeal of the original ruling is a GOOD THING. Why, because if they don't appeal, the ruling only affects the one case. If they do appeal, and lose, as they did, then it affects the law in the entire circuit. If they appeal this one, the Supreme Court stoops to actually hear the case, and they lose again, then that affects the law in the entire country. Thus people all over the fifth ciruit can now appeal to the courts, rather than the BATF, to have their RKBA restored and if the Supreme Court affirmed the ruling, people all over the country could do so.
Besides just reading this ruling, wheren in the fifth circuit slaps the executive branch upside the head about "rules" that have the affect of law, is worth whatever the appeal cost and then some, all by itself. :)
27 posted on
08/28/2002 6:52:56 PM PDT by
El Gato
To: 45Auto
To: 45Auto
*RIGHT WING WAcO ALERT*
Our government declared war on its people in the 1860s in the war of Northern Aggression. Do not expect them to give us any freedom back without a fight.
To: 45Auto
Let's rock!
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To: 45Auto
Thus almost every pre 72 Pennsylvania conviction for any misdemeanor such as a single DWI, drag racing or bastardy mandates the lifelong loss of gun rights even if no one was harmed and no jail times was involved. In Pennsylvania, with NRA support, they unsealed previously sealed juvenile records and took away the gun rights of people who were convicted of very minor offenses back in the 50's as 60's and have been model citizens ever since.
This is a clear violation of the ex post facto provision of the Constitution and taken directly from the Clintigula playbook.
To apply further punishment because someone "could have been sentenced to a certain term" smacks of the nineties conundrum "the facts of the case are not relevant, only the gravity of the allegation should determine punishment suffered by the accused"
These are very dangerous precedents and can lead to all manner of mayhem. Are you "guilty" of child abuse if a seatbelt is improperly fastened? Are you guilty of "domestic violence" if you don't remove snow and ice from your sidewalk in a manner designated by the state?
Bush '41 endorsed ex post facto tax law and now Bush '43 endorses Clintigulan ex post facto gun control.
If Citizens continue to abdicate their Sovereignty their Sovereignty will continue to evaporate.
Best regards,
To: 45Auto
Let us all become criminals and this nation a vast jail then, if this be true.
102 posted on
08/28/2002 10:43:26 PM PDT by
Destro
To: 45Auto
I think they are just compromising, so as to lull the Democrats into the trap. Once the president has overwhelming majorities in both houses of Congress, his real agenda (conservatism) will out...............Ha ha ha ha, I am funny.
To: 45Auto
I've found that I can trust Bush to advance the liberal agenda.
To: Love of Country
This stinks
To: 45Auto
I guess a summary of the "Bean" opinion and a link to the original would have been too difficult to do?
Regarding the Bush Administration being anti-gun: who did you think we were electing, Neal Knox?
President Bush has other things on his plate in addition to gun laws; the war in Afghanistan, for example. He's not going to squander his political capital on tossing out bad gun laws.
It's the responsibility of the Congress to write, re-write, or delete laws. It's your responsibility to understand the process, and to write your Congresscritter and convince him to do the right thing.
202 posted on
08/29/2002 7:42:42 AM PDT by
Redbob
To: 45Auto
Because the folks in Washington D.C. veiw those of us not in the govt.service as the Pratorian guard of the political class are basicly expendable peasants on a good day on a bad day we are expendable SERFS
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