Why do Bush/Ashcroft continue anti-gun policies?

Keep and Bear Arms ^ | 28 August 2002 | Harry Schneider

[AAABEST]

I see statist-boy shows up again defending the indefensible and shilling for his figurehead/mascott/icon. Are you sure you're not a clintonoid in need of a personality to sew your lips to? You act like it.

I know someone who was convicted of joyriding when he was 19 (nearly 40 years ago). Since then, he's grown a 2 million dollar real estate busines, became a county commisioner and is active in his church... in addition to being a wonderful human being.

Yet the morons amongst us would have him and his family slaughtered should anyone have the will to do so.

[Mulder]

How many Americans even KNOW anyone who's committed a felony, much less having committed a felony themselves?

First of all, if these "felons" are so dangerous, then why are they being allowed out of jail to start with?

Being a "felon" by today's definition is not what it was 20 years ago. Most people would be very surprised by how easy it is to get branded a felon, under what passes as our legal system.

(IIRC, not only are felons barred from buying guns, but also anyone with a misdemeanor conviction that could have resulted in more than 1 year in jail)

[Texasforever]

It was gun owners and NRA members who gave the election to Bush

No it was the libertarians, NO, it was the pro-lifers, No, it was the home schoolers, no, it was the free traders, No, it was the Reform Party, No, it was............ Every damned single-issue group on this forum that has made your claim.

[Mulder]

Its a very neat and totally illegal method of denying a citizen his Constitutional rights. Denial of rights by refusing to fund a review process. Rotten bastards

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[jwalsh07]

Balogna.

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

If you're a felon, you're rights can and should be abridged. At what level is case dependent.

[MissAmericanPie]

I'm not defending Bush, believe me. He's a back door man. He always leaves it ajar just in case he needs a hasty exit.

[El Gato]

Actually, the government's appeal of the original ruling is a GOOD THING. Why, because if they don't appeal, the ruling only affects the one case. If they do appeal, and lose, as they did, then it affects the law in the entire circuit. If they appeal this one, the Supreme Court stoops to actually hear the case, and they lose again, then that affects the law in the entire country. Thus people all over the fifth ciruit can now appeal to the courts, rather than the BATF, to have their RKBA restored and if the Supreme Court affirmed the ruling, people all over the country could do so.

Besides just reading this ruling, wheren in the fifth circuit slaps the executive branch upside the head about "rules" that have the affect of law, is worth whatever the appeal cost and then some, all by itself. :)

[sinkspur]

I know someone who was convicted of joyriding when he was 19 (nearly 40 years ago). Since then, he's grown a 2 million dollar real estate busines, became a county commisioner and is active in his church... in addition to being a wonderful human being.

Yet the morons amongst us would have him and his family slaughtered should anyone have the will to do so.

I'm assuming you're drunk. If you're not, then you've lost what little mind you've got left.

[ExSoldier]

We lost enough gun rights under Clinton. Which, if any, of those LOST RIGHTS have we regained under Bush? He ran as a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment....at least thats what the NRA and other gun organizations said. Well, does that just mean pro-gun in comparison to Clinton? If that is the case, then that's pretty sad. More Bush smoke and mirrors...just like his daddy.

His daddy, if you'll remember, issued an Executive Order (sound familiar?) that banned the importation of the wildly popular and very inexpensive Chinese 7.62x39 ammo as well as the importation of the extremely well made and extremely expensive HK PSG-1 semi-auto rifle...a "sniper rifle" but not one ever used in any crime. And, hell, my customized M1A is darn near as good....is that on a list somewhere? An amBUSH list?

I have been closely watching both Bush 41 and 43, ever alert for Constitutional conflicts just like those EO's. Now, I agree that the situation would be about 1000% WORSE with Gore as President! But if you "Talk the TALK...you'd BETTER walk the WALK!"

I am so sick of Republicans taking gun owners for granted because "they have nowhere else to go." Democrats learned that hard lesson and they are acting on it this time around. Bush had better remember that.

[inquest]

That's all well and good if felons are stripped of gun ownership as part of their sentence, but the Constitution explicitly prohibits ex post facto laws.

And even then, if a felon is too dangerous to be trusted with a gun, then he shouldn't be let out into society. Once his sentence is up, he is by right a free man once again, with all the natural rights that go along with it, including the right to self-defense.

[sinkspur]

His daddy, if you'll remember, issued an Executive Order (sound familiar?) that banned the importation of the wildly popular and very inexpensive Chinese 7.62x39 ammo as well as the importation of the extremely well made and extremely expensive HK PSG-1 semi-auto rifle...a "sniper rifle" but not one ever used in any crime. And, hell, my customized M1A is darn near as good....is that on a list somewhere? An amBUSH list.

You can't own a cannon either. So what?

[Joe Brower]

I was speaking with Dave LaCourse of the SAF (Second Amendment Foundation) on Tuesday afternoon, and they have filed an amicus brief with the SCOTUS on this Bean case, which, according to him, the SCOTUS has already agreed to hear starting in October. So far, they are the ONLY organization to file an amicus brief based on Second Amendment grounds.

Whether or not the SCOTUS agrees to hear the case on those grounds is still up in the air. Given their lack of gonads displayed to date, I'm not holding my breath, but here's some info for y'all:

SAF Bean Brief: http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/Legal/BeanBrief.htm

Docket information from the U.S. Supreme Court Website: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/01-704.htm

Read the Fifth Circuit Opinion here: http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/00/00-40304-cv0.htm

AP Story: http://www.boston.com/news/daily/22/felon_gun.htm

[PuNcH]

I am so sick of Republicans taking gun owners for granted because "they have nowhere else to go."

Republicans can take all issues for granted because voters believe they have nowhere else to go.

[PuNcH]

You can't own a cannon either. So what?

Uhhhgh... You just compared a semi-automatic rifle to a cannon.

[jwalsh07]

Once his sentence is up, he is by right a free man once again, with all the natural rights that go along with it, including the right to self-defense.

Nope. His sentence can contain probation, a prohibition on working with children, his forfeiture of his right to sit on the board of a corporation and a prohibition on his RTKABA.

[meyer]

Felons shouldn't have guns. Period.

Depends on what you consider a "felony".

[NMC EXP]

Q: Why do Bush/Ashcroft continue anti-gun policies?
A: Because they are statists.

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You beat me to it. It's a good thing thought crimes do not exist on FR. "Statist" is the vilest, most despicable label I can apply to a person.

Regards

J.R.

[cmotormac44]

voting for the 'demonrats' will certainly be of great comfort to the gun owners of america and a great assist to 'all' true american citizens---is that what we really want??

[meyer]

He always leaves it ajar just in case he needs a hasty exit.

Basic survival tool of any big-time politician. Very few pols travel without it. Bush is not unique in that respect.

[S.O.S121.500]

Q: Why do Bush/Ashcroft continue anti-gun policies?

A: Because they are statists third way socialists.