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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
And what training or experience backs up that judgement?

One undergraduate and two graduate degrees plus five years of teaching experience at the graduate level. None of in education or education related courses.

You cannot legitimately teach a subject to anyone unless you have a grasp of the subject itself. If someone who barely finished high school themselves expects to be able to instruct their 15 year old in Algebra, they are seriously deluded.

17 posted on 08/28/2002 6:34:41 AM PDT by CholeraJoe
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To: CholeraJoe
**You cannot legitimately teach a subject to anyone unless you have a grasp of the subject itself. If someone who barely finished high school themselves expects to be able to instruct their 15 year old in Algebra, they are seriously deluded. **

Absolutely not true, Joe. Look at the numbers, if you're so inclined. Beyond that, public school teachers (many of them) teach classes they themselves aren't qualified for. Perhaps you should be beating down their doors than the household doors of homeschoolers. :o)

21 posted on 08/28/2002 6:56:48 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: CholeraJoe
One undergraduate and two graduate degrees plus five years of teaching experience at the graduate level. None of in education or education related courses.
. . . and no experience in homeschooling. We're even in that respect.
You cannot legitimately teach a subject to anyone unless you have a grasp of the subject itself. If someone who barely finished high school themselves expects to be able to instruct their 15 year old in Algebra, they are seriously deluded.
If someone barely finished high school, there will be a reason or three:
lack of intelligence,

lack of motivation, or

lack of educational opportunity.

Presumably we can agree that homeschooling is not the easy way. Those who choose it, and especially those who stick with it, will be motivated.

Likewise I hope we can agree that people who find learning hard, and are being told by those in authority that public school IS education, are extremely unlikely to undertake to be authorities on Advanced Placement Calculus (a subject in which, as it happens, my daughter needed my help; she wasn't given the prerequisites and thus benefited from my BS education).

Those who barely finished high school who are motivated to tutor their children will almost exclusively be those whose own educational opportunities were substandard. Such people will as I suggested benefit from the learning experience of teaching their children.

two graduate degrees plus five years of teaching experience at the graduate level.
Teaching at the graduate level implies teaching people only a few years--at most--below your own educational attainment. That is an undertaking from which you presumably learned a good deal about your subject of specialization. This is highly analogous to our weakly-trained high school graduate after five years of teaching her/his child elementary subjects. Either the parent will at some stage decide that "this is too hard" or--more likely--the child will encourage the parent to learn cooperatively with him/her. In that case more total education occurs than if the child were to actually be taught successfully (contrary, in the hypothesis, to the expectations of the parent) by the public school.

I am put in mind of my older daughter, who somehow just yearned to be smarter about something than I was (you can understand that that was quite a challenge to undertake at an early age). LOL! In college she undertook to learn Chaucer in the Old English original, and took satisfaction in the fact that I was clueless about it. If a homeschooled student were to react in a manner remotely similar to that, he/she would come to adulthood rather well educated, don't you think?


27 posted on 08/28/2002 7:31:33 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: CholeraJoe
You cannot legitimately teach a subject to anyone unless you have a grasp of the subject itself. If someone who barely finished high school themselves expects to be able to instruct their 15 year old in Algebra, they are seriously deluded.

Are you aware of how that problem is solved by homeschoolers?

44 posted on 08/28/2002 9:03:33 AM PDT by Protagoras
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Ah, but what if you barely finished high school because your teacher didn't like your writing or didn't agree with your point of view, but you were excellent in math? Does experience tutoring students in college level classes count toward qualification?

sparky
46 posted on 08/28/2002 11:19:22 AM PDT by sparkydragon
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To: CholeraJoe
sigh..here we go again. CJ, you are dead wrong and the information on homeschooling refute what you just said. As for higher level courses, many parents choose to put thier children into high school(feeling that they have given them a solid foundation morally and educationally to adjust to the new environment), use junior colleges to teach these courses(I believe in most states you only have to be 15 to attend--in AZ it was 13 if I remember right), or use correspondence courses and coops for the more complicated stuff. There are plenty of options without doing all that you "require" which would leave a very limited time frame in which to even birth children given female biology and would require homeschool parents have signifigant MORE training than even the average public school teacher.
77 posted on 09/05/2002 5:55:21 AM PDT by glory
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