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Mob beheads nun in Bagdad
UPI | 8/27/02 | UWE SIEMON-NETTO

Posted on 08/27/2002 7:30:54 PM PDT by kattracks

WASHINGTON, Aug 27, 2002 (United Press International via COMTEX) -- A nun belonging to Iraq's Christian minority that still speaks a dialect of Aramaic, the language of Jesus, was found beheaded in Baghdad, the U.S.-based Chaldean News Agency reported Tuesday.

CNA blamed "Muslim terrorists" for this murder of Sister Cecilia Hanna, 70. According to this wire service of Iraq's Christian exiles, she "was knifed down savagely and her head was severed from the rest of her body by a group of thugs while she was staying in the Chaldean monastery located in Palestine Street in Baghdad."

When asked about this report, a State Department spokeswoman told United Press International Tuesday, "We are not aware of this case."

Shortly after the start of the U.S. war on terrorism, Albert Yelda, a London-based Iraqi opposition leader, had warned that Iraq's ancient Christian community would be made a whipping boy for this conflict.

Yelda told UPI at the time that Iraq's Christians "no longer dare to wear their traditional crosses. They are being called crusaders. They do not receive food rations. They are being told, 'Ask the Americans to feed you. You have no business being here.'"

In an interview, Bishop Ibrahim N. Ibrahim of the Chaldean Church's Eastern diocese in the U.S. referred UPI to the CNA story Tuesday but denied that Christians in Iraq were being singled out for persecution.

However, CNA now ranks Sister Cecilia Hanna among the long line of martyrs in present-day Iraq, whose Christians are the descendants of one of the oldest known civilizations -- Mesopotamia. Collectively, these Christians are known of Assyrians.

Assyians say they were the first nation to adopt Christianity as state religion in 179 AD, more than 100 years before Armenia, which prides itself with being the first Christianized country. The Assyrians also claim were the ones to have built the first Christian churches and to have been the first to translate the New Testament from Greek into their vernacular, which still resembles the language of Christ.

The Chaldean Church, to which the murdered Sacred Heart of Jesus nun belonged, is in union with the Vatican and has approximately one million members, half of whom still live in Iraq, while the rest is spread around the world, Bishop Ibrahim said.

Another 300,000 to 500,000 Assyrian Christians belong to the venerable Church of the East. This denomination was once condemned as heretical because it followed the teachings of Nestorius, the 5th-century bishop of Constantinople, who taught that the Virgin Mary was not the "theodokos," or mother of God, but simply the mother of Jesus Christ.

Nestorian missionaries were the first the reach Mongolia, China and Japan in the 8th century. However, in the 16th century, a segment of the Nestorian Church recognized the Pope and united with Rome, which persecuted the remaining Nestorians for centuries, especially in India.

"Today, our two churches are very close," Bishop Ibrahim said. While not in full communion, they practice Eucharistic hospitality under certain circumstances. In other words, they commune each other's members if they have no church of their own denomination to go to.

"Our liturgies are very similar," Ibrahim explained. "Assyrian services consist of 99 percent liturgy with lots of incense," Yelda said. The difference is that while the Chaldeans allow icons in their churches, the Nestorian sanctuaries are as stark as synagogues. But for a simple cross above the altar, nothing adorns them.

There are other parallels between the Nestorians and the Jews as well. Nestorians call their priest "rabi" (teacher), and like orthodox Jews they eschew mixed marriages. "We want to preserve a Christian people in our country," Yelda explained.

While Bishop Ibrahim allowed that "Christians like all others suffer from the turmoil in Iraq, but are not targeted for persecution," the Chaldean News Service accused Saddam Hussein's government of appeasing "the rising tide of Muslim fanaticism."

This movement, it said, "has at its final goal not only the murder or the complete subjugation of non-Muslims but all those who do not measure up to its doctrine of terror and hatred."

According to Albert Yelda, Saddam Hussein, too, has set out to destroy the venerable Assyrian culture, "not out of any Muslim convictions but because, like every tyrant, he hates minorities."

Yelda described how Saddam had banned the Assyrians' cultural clubs, where their literary language was kept alive. "Saddam had hundreds of Assyrian villages razed, including recently a 2nd-century church."

Yelda also accused Saddam's son, Uday, of raping and killing an Assyrian woman and then making this act public knowledge.

As for the repression of Iraqi Christians in the name of Islam, Yelda said it ran counter the stated wish of the Prophet Mohammed, who was so impressed by the Assyrians' knowledge of medicine and sciences that he issued a Firman, or letter of protection, for them.

The Firman disappeared without trace over 150 years ago.

By UWE SIEMON-NETTO, UPI Religion Correspondent

Copyright 2002 by United Press International.






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To: Bobby777
I said nothing of the sort. You asked for Scripture indicating that Mary is the Mother of God. I gave it to you. I also gave you the words of the Protestant reformers if that is your religious inclination as it seems. Did you even read any of it?
121 posted on 08/27/2002 9:24:12 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
yes ... John 1:1-5 KJV

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
122 posted on 08/27/2002 9:26:19 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: kattracks
"'We want to preserve a Christian people in our country,' Yelda explained."

God knows your country needs them, Yelda.

"This movement...has at its final goal not only the murder or the complete subjugation of non-Muslims but all those who do not measure up to its doctrine of terror and hatred."

The "movement", of course, is Islam.

123 posted on 08/27/2002 9:26:51 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: kattracks
Excellent work, my children!


124 posted on 08/27/2002 9:27:35 PM PDT by rockfish59
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To: kattracks
We have seen how much courage Iraq's have when murdering a 70 year old nun, soon we will get to see how brave they are confronting a U.S. Marine. Oh wait, we have already seen how brave they are when they crawled out from beneath their rocks and wrapped their arms around our soldiers legs and lick their boots.

This time our soldiers should look down, say, "Thanks for the shine" then blow their brains out.

125 posted on 08/27/2002 9:27:36 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: goldenstategirl
you must have not read my replies on this thread at all ... I don't see any questions about the Miraculous Conception here ... and avoided the question ... Did Jesus perpetually exist or was He not created until the "birth"? ... I think you've made your position already clear and we're going to disagree ...
126 posted on 08/27/2002 9:29:01 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Bobby777

I'm not sure what you mean by this; I know how I understand it. If there is a deeper, more mystical inference here I'd be happy to discuss it in Freepmail. I'd be surprised though, given your beliefs about Mary.

127 posted on 08/27/2002 9:32:25 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: MarineDad
I'll second that motion. It's a good thing for them that there's no extremist (fundamentalist) Christian country with
a nuclear arsenal (YET). Let's create a shrine for all
Christian martyrs next to a glass crater in Mecca.
128 posted on 08/27/2002 9:34:07 PM PDT by hford02
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To: Barnacle
Hey guys. Let's not go there. This discussion is not about Mary. Start up a separate thread and have at it till 2 AM.

Whatever Catholics believe about Mary is a side issue. Whether you are a sprinkler or a dunker is a side issue. What matters is the belief in Jesus Christ as the way and sole savior. You can have a lot of stuff right or a lot of stuff wrong but as long as the key point is met you are brethren. The associated creeds, rituals, and assorted theology are the details where the devil can obscure unity in important things.
129 posted on 08/27/2002 9:34:10 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: MissAmericanPie
You mean these guys?

130 posted on 08/27/2002 9:34:17 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Bobby777
I did read your posts as did everyone else who is on the same page as I am. I'm not talking about the Immaculate Conception, but it sounds like you are talking about something entirely different from what everyone else is perceiving here. Enlighten us please.
131 posted on 08/27/2002 9:34:51 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl
sure ... FReepmail me and we'll discuss the matter offline ...
132 posted on 08/27/2002 9:35:25 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: kattracks
This is the kind of thing that sways public opinion. If this story gets proper publication in the mass media, which is to say, TV news, the next war poll will show a large increase in favor of having it out with Iraq. It will also affect debate in Congress. Congress might declare war on Iraq specifically based on this incident alone.
133 posted on 08/27/2002 9:36:29 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: jwalsh07
Man, them guys is scaring me just looking at em. Glad they are our side. They don't look like they are playing.
134 posted on 08/27/2002 9:36:42 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: shaggy eel
... surprised?

Not in the slightest.

135 posted on 08/27/2002 9:36:56 PM PDT by null and void
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To: JMJ333
Rome is supported not only by Scripture but also by people like Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Melanchthon, Bullinger, Drelincourt and Thurian. That's something those who reject the truth almost always fail to mention.
136 posted on 08/27/2002 9:38:02 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Jorge
It's really sad to see the hatefilled intolerance of Muslims toward Christians...but I believe the hell they are raising here on earth is simply a preview of the place their false religion is leading them. These are some miserable people.

Let's see them out of their earthly misery, and to the place where they are going.

137 posted on 08/27/2002 9:44:34 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Bobby777
Wait a minute, why must you assume someone else is wrong, simply because you yourself don't believe it? Whatever happened to having a little respect for others who come from another tradition? Maybe not every Christian looks at the Bible the same way you do!
138 posted on 08/27/2002 9:46:48 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: jwalsh07
Those are the ones, and a feast for the eyes they are.
139 posted on 08/27/2002 9:48:02 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Bobby777
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
140 posted on 08/27/2002 9:49:17 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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