Posted on 08/26/2002 7:07:13 PM PDT by GeneD
LOS ANGELES (AP) - Compact disc music sales decreased 7 percent during the first half of the year, a further indication that online music sharing sites are hurting the recording industry, a trade group said Monday.
The decline cost the industry $284 million in lost sales, according to the Recording Industry Association of America.
The decline, measured by PricewaterhouseCoopers, compares with a 5.3 percent drop in CD shipments in the first half of 2001. The RIAA said the industry uses just-in-time delivery, so CD shipments are reliably indicative of actual sales.
Also Monday, the RIAA released a separate survey of Internet users' music habits, which found that most consumers between the ages of 12 and 54 bought fewer CDs as they downloaded more tracks.
Previous studies independent of the music industry have suggested that access to free music on the Web actually encourages consumers to experiment with new acts and buy more CDs.
"We find a striking connection between people who say they are downloading more and buying less," said Geoff Garin, the pollster for Peter D. Hart Research Associates, who conducted the random telephone survey of 860 consumers for the RIAA in May. The survey has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points.
Of consumers polled whose downloading increased during the last six months, 41 percent reported buying less music, compared with 19 percent who said they were purchasing more, he said.
Among those polled who said they were downloading the same amount as six months earlier, 25 percent said they purchased less music, compared with 13 percent who bought more, Garin said.
The survey also reported that 35 percent said they go straight to an Internet file sharing site whenever they hear an unfamiliar artist they like. Only 10 percent reported that they immediately buy the artist's album.
The poll did not provide information about consumer attitudes on other factors widely considered to be affecting CD sales, including the quality of new releases and the lack of easy-to-use online services from the major recording labels.
"I very strongly conclude that the ability to get music for free is an important factor and has an adverse effect on music purchasing. I would not argue that it is the one and only factor," Garin said.
Most radio stations are so tightly formatted that they have become boring and almost useless as a place to discover new music. For example, one of the most listened to radio stations in DCD has a 35 song play list, with 2 songs that are less than 3 years old. The station bills itself as "today's music."
I couldn't have said it better. The funny thing is that what you call "pseudo-black stylism" has been most often heard on recordings by, gasp, black, and mainly female, vocalists. Go figure! Very annoying to us, very impressive to the musically illiterate. I seem to recall that Valerie Simpson of the late years Motown duo Ashford & Simpson had her part in inventing it.
(This is off the pissing match topic but I couldn't help commenting on your excellent observation. Cheers!)
Oh, I get it. He was an idiot, so you thought you would show him by behaving like a bigger idiot? That make a lot of sense.
but if he had the guts to say it to me in person, I would punch him in the mouth.
I really find it hard to believe that you would even think that anything derogatory (sp?) said on this or any other internet forum would be said in person, and therefore you would get even the least worked up about it. But saying you would punch someone in the mouth for comments made shows pure (probably temporary, but who knows for sure) stupidity on your part. You could find yourself with 1) pretty serious criminal and civil liability and 2) very serious hospital bills and finally 3)possibly a funeral. If you are truly serious about reacting in person like you suggest, I strongly advise against it.
Now you get involved, maybe you think it is appropriate to do what he did,
I never said that, and frankly, I couldn't care less what he did. There is an abuse report button and you obviously have the option to ignore it and go on. I didn't see his comment and didn't want to bother to go through the posts to find it. I responded to yours, and the fact that he was wrong doesn't make what you said any more defensible.
Why would you truly be bothered by what some idiot said on a forum?
I care about your opinion on that about as much as his.
Apparently you care greatly, since you responded. And if you are going to continue to defend your actions, let me know so I can make a reference not to respond. I only discuss issues with rational people. Temporarily loosing it and smarting off in a post is one thing and can certainly be forgotten. Spending 5 or 10 minutes responding to someone who called you on it trying to defend your actions is irrational. Have at it if you wish.
Monster "Truth" Bump!!!
What's my point? Hmmm, I dunno. Just kidding. My point is that the climb to that moral high ground is awful easy, the liberals have mastered the art, they are for all the humanistic good things and against the bad, while the stuck up conservatives seem to be for all good Biblical things and against sin, but on a scale of lawbreaking and sinning, downloading Millie Small rates rather, uhm, small, compared to rolling through stop signs and to the most popular American sport these days - running red lights!
Still, this hasn't been a worthless exercise as it led me to a definition of the Revolting cat's rule, which I'm still refining, but here is the first crack at it anyway:
Humility and tolerance for opposing views are inversely proportional to the apparent gravity of the Internet forum participant's screen handle.
Cheers!
ThomasJefferson: Ok, go play in the traffic. Unless of course, you can cite the post where I said something which I never said. You see, that's the problem with lying about someone's position, you have to back it up with proof. And when you can't, you are shown for what you are.
I take it you did this in the past also?
Please refer to the following thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/686402/posts
In post #89 on that thread you wrote "If you have an argument to present on the topic of the thread please make it or go play in heavy traffic".
In post #92 on that thread you wrote "Now go play in traffic".
No need to apologize, because coming from you, there's no way that I would believe it to be sincere.
Gee, it couldn't be that folks have begun to wake up to the high prices for low value represented when you hype 1-2 winners with a number of so-so tunes. Or, even the fact that consumer economy doldrums are affecting the younger set?
What I was referring to was the fact the the guy on this thread who lied about what I said in this thread could not cite the post where I said what he said I said. Got that? Go over it a few times, you will finally get it.
He lied, the thread was short, but he still refused to cite the post that would prove him right. The reason was that the post did not exist. He therefore is vermin, and I told him to crawl back under his rock.
Now you come on to this thread harboring deep resentment and still stinging from being exposed on a different thread long ago, and attack me without knowing what the hell you are talking about. No problem for me. It is probably what got you in trouble last time.
Now,,,GO PLAY IN THE TRAFFIC! :-)
Then you show up on your high horse as a moderator wannabe telling me how I am a coward because anyone who says something like that doesn't have the balls to do it in real life.
Now you give me unsolicited advice about why I shouldn't do it in the real world.
Do me a favor and go play in the traffic.
(I like that phrase)
To: ThomasJefferson You waltzing in without a warrant and accusing people supposedly secure in their places and effects of stealing. That's a whine.
94 posted on 8/27/02 9:42 AM Central by bvw [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 93 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
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Cite where I did that. Or withdraw and climb back into your hole. 95 posted on 8/27/02 9:48 AM Central by ThomasJefferson
To: ThomasJefferson
Did your wife say I lied with her? -- If so she is the lier.
110 posted on 8/27/02 10:11 AM Central by bvw
It's your opinion, not your call. They get paid whatever they can get without force or fraud. It's called the free market. Until you become the king, you don't get to make the call, only express your opinion. Which, btw, is goofy.
LOL! Your lame attempt to save even a shred of dignity on this thread is absolutely pathetic, TommyJ.
Here, I'll even write your next post for you because I know that you'll probably want to come up with more lame excuses to cover your backside. Let's see, knowing your MO on Free Republic, your next post would probably say something like this:
"Uh, I didn't say "Go play in heavy traffic". I actually said "Go play in traffic". No, actually I DID say "Go play in heavy traffic", but I meant to say "Go DRIVE in heavy traffic". Or did I? Well, even though you called my bluff and proved me wrong, you actually didn't know what I was talking about, or was it that I didn't know what you were talking about? Anyway, because I was confused about who I was supposed to be, you proving me wrong doesn't count because for a few minutes there, I thought I was somebody else! Oh yeah, even though I sent that one post to you, I actually meant it for somebody else. And that post that I sent to what's-his-name was actually meant for you. So you'll need to go back and track that post down and read it. Is that clear? OK, now, go back and read post #92 again and you'll understand what I meant when I said what I said in post #77, or was that post #84? No, it was actually post #129, I think. Oh, forget it! Just read all the posts again and it should be perfectly clear to you what I am talking about. You'll have to excuse my nonsensical ramblings on this thread because sometimes I have trouble keeping all of my spins, deceptions, insults, alibis, and excuses straight in my head!"
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