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Eclipse: First Flight (Revolutionary Jet, First Flight!!)
Aero-News.net ^ | 08/26/2002 | Jim "Zoom" Campbell

Posted on 08/26/2002 11:23:02 AM PDT by taildragger

We have just received word that the Eclipse 500 micro-jet has made its first flight.

The world's newest jet was just taxiing back to the hangar, as we spoke to Eclipse spokeswoman Cory Canada, who said that the test pilot, Bill Bubb, wasn't out of the plane yet; and, by the way, how did we know? [Thank you, News-Spy! --ed.]

Details of the (roughly) 45-minute Monday morning flight are sketchy; we have calls in to the company, and expect to be updating this spot throughout the day. Stay tuned!

Additional Details... Well after we posted the first announcement of the flight, we received the following official statement. Please note that we are working up several other details and stories for you all for this evening.

"Eclipse Aviation Corporation today announced the successful first flight of its flagship aircraft, the next-generation Eclipse 500 jet. Piloted by Bill Bubb, Eclipse Aviation's chief test pilot, the Eclipse 500 jet took to the air at 9:18 a.m. MST, flying as planned for approximately 60 minutes.

'I applaud the Eclipse team, our investors, suppliers and partners for their steadfast dedication to realizing our dream of changing the way people travel,' said Vern Raburn, president and CEO of Eclipse Aviation. 'What we accomplished today is now part of aviation history. Today we stand together, more certain than ever that the Eclipse 500 will forever change the landscape of transportation.'

The Eclipse 500 offers performance characteristics and economics that are enabling the creation of alternatives to today's commercial air travel system. The Eclipse 500 will allow travelers to fly point-to-point to more than 10,000 airports in the U.S. alone, ushering in an age where point-to-point private jet travel will be available to everyone at affordable prices. This will be a dramatic departure from today's commercial airline system, which forces 70 percent of all air travelers to pass through 29 increasingly crowded "hub" airports.

Flight-testing was conducted in a designated test zone located south of Albuquerque, New Mexico.

The first test flight was designed to investigate basic maneuverability and allow for initial aircraft systems checking. The first tests occurred at 9,000 feet (2,743.2 m) where the flight crew successfully evaluated engine handling, aircraft stability and control, general flying qualities and systems performance.

The first flight of the Eclipse 500 marks the start of a 16-month testing program, involving eight test airframes. The flight-test program will culminate with FAA certification, scheduled to occur in December 2003.

'We completed all test conditions as planned and were very pleased with the results,' said Bubb. 'The Eclipse team did an excellent job of building the aircraft. The quality is remarkable and the workmanship is outstanding.'

The Eclipse 500 is a six-person jet aircraft that sells for $837,500 (in June 2000 dollars). At this price, it costs approximately a quarter of today's small jet aircraft and will be significantly safer, easier and less expensive to fly. The Eclipse 500 flies 355 knots and can travel 1,300 nautical miles (about the distance between Boston and Miami) at a cost of approximately 56 cents a mile to operate. First customer deliveries of the Eclipse 500 are scheduled to occur in January 2004.


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To: SBeck
The pilot was some wealthy dude with 80 hours on his ticket who flew down to the broker, whipped out his checkbook and wrote a check for 325K. He refused any training and took off in his brand new airplane with two passengers. 10 minutes later he went IMC and hit granite cumulus

By the time the airplane would enter service, projected for early 2004, government officials are expected to have issued additional regulations on how private jets and air taxis should address security. But Eclipse, acutely aware of the damage that an untoward incident could do to a nascent airplane program, plans to train all prospective Eclipse 500 pilots. This would be done to avoid farming them out to training schools that might be more inclined to sign off on a marginal pilot who has paid the money for proficiency training. Several months ago, Mr. Raburn told a room of insurance underwriters at a conference in London that he would refund a customer's deposit rather than put an unqualified pilot in one of his planes, prompting a standing ovation.

Wall Street Journal, July 12, 2002


81 posted on 08/26/2002 3:00:15 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: SamAdams76
But since these Eclipses are still years away from reaching the mass market, we have plenty of time to develop them.

The goal for Eclipse is to be certificated by 2004. They are well on their way to getting there.

BTW, it takes 6-8 years to develop doctors and other professionals. So 1-2 years is not as big an obstacle as it may seem.

6-8 years is about the amount of time it takes for someone to move from piston to turbine aircraft. I read somewhere, and you'll have to forgive me for not supplying the source, that the amount of training that it takes to produce an Airline Transport Pilot is equivalent to an MD.

82 posted on 08/26/2002 3:00:47 PM PDT by SBeck
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To: SBeck
I read somewhere, and you'll have to forgive me for not supplying the source, that the amount of training that it takes to produce an Airline Transport Pilot is equivalent to an MD.

Right now the problem is not a shortage of pilots but a shortage of jobs for well qualified pilots. I know a guy who just finished 15 years flying F-15s who can't get a job with the airlines --- they are all laying off, not hiring and with bakruptcies of major airlines there will be more and more layoffs in the future. I think any one who qualified on a Mach II warbird would be more than qualified to handle this little bird and there are plenty of guys (and girls) who fit that bill and would love to get back in the air again.

83 posted on 08/26/2002 3:08:00 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: r9etb
"And, because they were designed for cruise missiles, I predict that these things are going to take a lot of robustifying: there's a big difference between an engine designed for a single 12-hour flight, and an engine designed for thousands of hours of flight time. That 56 cents/mile is interesting, but probably incomplete because it seems not to include the likely replacement/repair costs."

Correction r9etb,

It is a real Turbofan utilizing "expendable" technology, but it has been designed from the ground up. Big difference. The original "FJX-2" engine that was in a Demo Aircraft known as the V-Jet had Williams Intl engines that were designated "FJX-2" that were Modified Williams F107 Turbofan Cruise Missile Engines. These engines the "EJ-22" are a clean sheet of paper.

Please note some of the technology envolved is in regards to simplifying the engines, i.e. like one piece castings that perform multiple functions instead of a welded up part.

The Big engine Makers like GE, Pratt and Rolls try to do the same thing as well, but it may have a greater impact on an engine this size.

84 posted on 08/26/2002 3:10:47 PM PDT by taildragger
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To: madvlad
Thanks I was starting to think I'd missed something. You put forth what I was thinking.
85 posted on 08/26/2002 3:17:48 PM PDT by discostu
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To: SBeck
I'm no expert on how long it takes to develop a competent commercial pilot from scratch but it seems to me far-fetched that it would take 6-8 years (unless there is significant "flying time" requirements involved). Remember, those 9/11 terrorists learned how to fly a Boeing 767 in a matter of months at some Florida flight school. Granted, they probably skipped a few lessons (like landing) but they did know enough to manually fly the planes into a couple of thin towers that was several hundred miles away, no small task, according to what I have read.

This Eclipse is no F-15, or 767 for that matter. It is a six-seater.

Training the pilot to fly the plane is probably the easy part. It's getting the required "flight-time" that might be the biggest obstacle. That's probably why major airlines prefer hiring military pilots. They have already accumulated significant flight time on the government's dime. It's probably very expensive to get a civilian 1,000 (or more) of "flight-time" needed for certification. Essentially that trainee would have to fly an empty airplane for all that time. Couldn't they just use simulators?

86 posted on 08/26/2002 3:21:54 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76
Instead of getting into a discussion or debate on this online, you should go out to the FBO at Bedford (BED if I remember correctly) and talk to some of the pilots there. Better yet, there's a program called Freedom of Flight that lets you manipulate the controls of an airplane with an instructor pilot sitting beside you. I think you'll appreciate what it takes to fly an airplane after the flight.
87 posted on 08/26/2002 3:50:07 PM PDT by SBeck
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To: Ditto
Right now the problem is not a shortage of pilots but a shortage of jobs for well qualified pilots.

There are plenty of jobs for pilots now. (Embry-Riddle just hired 40 new instructor pilots for the Fall term. Yes, the airlines are having their problems, but that's a result of mismanagement even prior to 911). It is a lot better than 20 years ago when there were zero positions available. As always, it's based on the economic cycle and I anticipate that the demand for pilots will sky rocket in the next two years.

88 posted on 08/26/2002 3:55:52 PM PDT by SBeck
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To: SBeck
Instead of getting into a discussion or debate on this online, you should go out to the FBO at Bedford (BED if I remember correctly) and talk to some of the pilots there. Better yet, there's a program called Freedom of Flight that lets you manipulate the controls of an airplane with an instructor pilot sitting beside you. I think you'll appreciate what it takes to fly an airplane after the flight.

Why are you getting defensive and insinuating that I think flying an airplane is no big deal? Obviously I can't expect to step into a cockpit tomorrow and fly a plane. If I tried, I would surely crash the damn thing. Just as you would fall flat on your face if you came to work with me tomorrow and tried doing my job. But I can certainly train you on how to do my job and within a few months, you could probably replace me. Well I sure as hell can learn to fly a plane too, with the proper training. Stop making it seem like you have to be Chuck Yeager.

89 posted on 08/26/2002 4:15:18 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SBeck
"Everyone seems to have forgotten something: where are we going to get all the pilots to fly the "thousands" of new Eclipses?"

Hey sign me up! I'm 10 hours short of taking my Private Pilot Exam.

90 posted on 08/26/2002 4:16:15 PM PDT by semaj
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To: Hostage
Armed passengers?
91 posted on 08/26/2002 4:22:09 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: semaj
hehe...
92 posted on 08/26/2002 4:25:31 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: taildragger
What are the stock tickers of the companies involved?
93 posted on 08/26/2002 4:25:53 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: Bogey78O
If I was a CEO of an airlines company, I would check into starting a small hub base in airports with these smaller planes and get a jump on the industry while I could...but, I'm not (but I too would be very interested in the stocks for these when they go public)
94 posted on 08/26/2002 4:29:03 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: SamAdams76
I don't think the .56/mile includes pilots, overhead, cost of the plane, etc. I think it is the estimated fuel and maintenance. My husband is a corporate pilot, we also had a King Air C90 we chartered. I'd be real surprised if there is any way you would get the trip for the price you think.
95 posted on 08/26/2002 5:07:50 PM PDT by Aria
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To: r9etb
>>...There's a tradeoff between performance and size...<<

Hey wait a minute now!

96 posted on 08/26/2002 5:14:03 PM PDT by FReepaholic
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To: TomB
Hey, Great Tip Thanks!
97 posted on 08/26/2002 5:15:31 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: SamAdams76
All the pilots I know get paid by the day - anywhere from $250 to $600 or so for a G4 pilot.
98 posted on 08/26/2002 5:15:38 PM PDT by Aria
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To: Bogey78O
None so far, Eclipse and Williams are privately held. Some of there suppliers might be public, I haven't checked. I am hoping Eclipse will go public, right now it is a private placement.
99 posted on 08/26/2002 5:32:40 PM PDT by taildragger
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To: taildragger
If you see anything on it feel free to send it my way. I don't have a ton of money to invest but a small amount might make a good investment.
100 posted on 08/26/2002 5:43:58 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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