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Mugabe men 'use rape as revenge'
Electronic Telegraph ^ | 25/08/2002 | Christina Lamb in Manicaland

Posted on 08/24/2002 4:27:44 PM PDT by aculeus

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To: annalex
However, there are problems in Africa of our own making, and they are -- not colonialism, but the retreat from colonialism.

When the white man dropped the burden, many innocent lives were crushed underneath.

We made a problem by ceasing our oppression of Africa? It always seemed like the Africans wanted the White Man out. I believe Mugabe has been pretty clear on that.

And where did America have colonies in Africa, anyway? Maybe the Europeans should speak to Mugabe. I won't hold my breath.

The whole thing is very Atlas Shrugged. When the "bad people" (whites, or capitalists) actually go away and stop "causing trouble", their "victims" get all upset because of the sudden onslaught of problems caused by the "bad people" no longer doing their "bad things". It's almost funny. Almost.

81 posted on 08/26/2002 10:47:49 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ganesha
I do not count Egypt as an Afican civilization. They were a mediterainian civilization, like the Greeks and Phonecians. Also Egypt was over run by the muslems in 800AD and is no longer "Egyptian", modern Egypt is Arab, not Egyptian. Ethiopia on the other hand is African.
82 posted on 08/26/2002 11:00:29 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Republic If You Can Keep It
The real question would seem to be "Why aren't the NAACP and CBC demanding intervention?"
83 posted on 08/26/2002 11:01:44 AM PDT by wtc911
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To: Roscoe
No, I think you're losing track of reality...unless you're just purposely picking un-related snippets and pretending they go together so you can believe you've won another point in the internet junkyard wars.

If you're not even going to try to make sense, I'll not bother even reading your stuff.

84 posted on 08/26/2002 11:03:32 AM PDT by Le-Roy
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To: aculeus
Not surprising from an African "Leader", corruption is common in all the governments there. This is partly because they have no models of good government to follow, so the most ruthless rise to power.

As a result of the corruption and lust for power some alot of furtile land sits idle while people starve. A starving population is much easier to control than a prosperious one.

Perhaps this is why the liberals in the US continue to try to drive businesses under?

MARK A SITY
http://www.logic101.net/

85 posted on 08/26/2002 11:07:01 AM PDT by logic101.net
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To: Go Gordon
Thank the lord we don't have an arm-chair 'Rambo' like you running the country...wait...strike that - we do.

The 'smoking hole' refers to political reality...I'm not the one charged with making that decision, so it matters very little what I would do.

If you really believe your argument, why are you not actively involved in gunning-down a third of the populace of the town where you live? After all, many of them have guns, and you know one of them is gonna go on a rampage and kill many, many people. It is your duty to prevent that, to protect all those other innocent women & children. Hop to it!

Sound a little ridiculous?

86 posted on 08/26/2002 11:09:30 AM PDT by Le-Roy
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To: Le-Roy
No mas? LOL
87 posted on 08/26/2002 11:13:36 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Le-Roy
If you really believe your argument, why are you not actively involved in gunning-down a third of the populace of the town where you live? After all, many of them have guns, and you know one of them is gonna go on a rampage and kill many, many people. It is your duty to prevent that, to protect all those other innocent women & children. Hop to it! Sound a little ridiculous?

Yes, its a rediculous arguement. Its legal for US citizens to own "guns". As of 1991, it is illegal for Sadaam to possess WMDs. BTW, don't bring your gun to a WMD fight. Your arguement gets weaker with every post youmake. I'll be kind, just in case you actually believe the dribble you put out (as opposed to being a troll)

88 posted on 08/26/2002 11:23:24 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: Roscoe
Mas all you want, Roscoe. When it makes any sense, I'll respond.
89 posted on 08/26/2002 12:29:25 PM PDT by Le-Roy
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To: Go Gordon
Do you live in a town of over 10,000 population? I guarantee you somebody there has a sawed-off shotgun, or even a full-auto AR-15. There's your WMD. Do your duty, dammit!

No, I'm not a troll. I honestly believe it is inherently wrong for us to attack someone before they attack us. If you wish to continue the personal-level gunfight analogy, if a man were pointing a gun at myself or someone else, I would intervene, as that represents a very real threat of deadly harm.

Prove to me, and the rest of America, that Hussein represents that same kind of immediate, obvious threat. If it could be done, this administration would have already done so.

90 posted on 08/26/2002 12:33:56 PM PDT by Le-Roy
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To: aculeus
The organisation is compiling video evidence that it hopes to use to help to bring Mr Mugabe to trial at the international court of human rights.

Good Luck!

The only people the international court wishes to have sit before them are U.S. peace keeper troops (the U.S. is so "bellicose" don't cha know).

Ahhhh, Africa.........

And let's not forget the enlightened Arab World.......

Well, they can try the U.N., but with Syria on the Human Rights panel, you might as well as have Sudan, Lybia, Cuba, Somalia, Iran, and China chime in as well.

91 posted on 08/26/2002 12:40:50 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Le-Roy
Do you live in a town of over 10,000 population? I guarantee you somebody there has a sawed-off shotgun, or even a full-auto AR-15. There's your WMD. Do your duty, dammit!

Leroy, you are getting rediculous now. An AR-15 is not a WMD. BTW, I have a shotgun, rifle and 2 pistols. So if Mr. sawed-off shotgun shows up at my house, he's in for a surprise.

No, I'm not a troll. I honestly believe it is inherently wrong for us to attack someone before they attack us.

Ummmm, Leroy, we were already attacked. We've been attacked at least 1/2 dozen times in the last decade (OKC, US Cole, WTC x 2, Khobar Towers etc.). We're mad as hell and we'renot going to take it anymore. Especially from this two-bit psycho-dictator and the rest of the swarmy crowd.

Prove to me, and the rest of America, that Hussein represents that same kind of immediate, obvious threat. If it could be done, this administration would have already done so.

That's where you're wrong. You don't show the rest of the players at the table each card as its dealt to you. You wait til you see what kind of hand you have, make your bets and then you lay your cards on the table. Bush will shows us most of the cards before we go after Sadaam (at around T-1 minute, hopefully).

92 posted on 08/26/2002 1:08:35 PM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: Go Gordon
We were using an analogy of personal dimension. An AR-15 on full auto could take out a lot of people. I also noticed you stipulated that he would have to come to you (with the implied evidence of threat) before you yourself would do anything.

Q.E.D. It is not any more moral for the state to do that which you yourself would not.

We've been attacked at least 1/2 dozen times in the last decade...

Prove that it was Hussein behind those, and I'll support whatever it takes to get to him; but merely being part of a disagreeable crowd is not sufficient cause for killing.

Bush will shows us most of the cards before we go after Sadaam...

Until then, we're just supposed to trust him? After Waco, and Ruby Ridge (just to name two recent examples, that is something I can not do. Besides, we're not playing poker, here - the stakes are infinitely higher, and it is not a bluffing contest. We have the means to do whatever is necessary - what point is there in a bluff? If you're holding a royal flush, you could just turn the cards around and show 'em, with the rejoinder, "This is what's comin', if you don't lay your cards down, now." We're supposed to be seeking justice, not whatever we might 'win'.

93 posted on 08/26/2002 1:34:43 PM PDT by Le-Roy
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To: ClearCase_guy
By "we" I means the Man of the West, not specifically Americans.

I would not equate colonialism with oppression, although I am sure there were incidents of it. Fundamentally, colonialism is a benign in nature externally imposed civil society, instituted primarily to protect the rights of the settlers but beneficial to the indigenous people as well. When the indigenous people acclamate to the externally imposed civil society enough to expect its benefits, but not enough to sustain it themselves, a retreat of the colonial power does immense harm. Such was the harm of decolonization.
94 posted on 08/26/2002 1:42:02 PM PDT by annalex
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To: aculeus
"This isn't about race or land, it's about a political tyrant who wants to kill, break down and cripple all opposition,"

Why that sounds eerily reminiscent of an author (whose name escapes me) who quoted #42 in a statement, nearly to the letter.Zimbabwe,I suppose they're one of those countries that wants more money from us at that Earth Conference in S. Africa,right?

95 posted on 08/26/2002 1:45:22 PM PDT by Pagey
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To: St.Chuck
"You can bet that if Zimbabwe had a vast oil supply, Bush, et.al. would be beating the war drums for action against Mugabe and his terrorists."

You might well be right there Chuckie...it falls to logic that people elect a President who has the BEST INTERESTS of their nation on his/her agenda.

But I notice a strange silence from the 'back to Africa' group. Nothing from Calypso Louie, Fast Al Sharpton and the 'Right Reverend J.Jackson...hmmm...I guess sharks know when there is nothing but bones.

96 posted on 08/26/2002 1:54:37 PM PDT by Khurkris
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Bump!
97 posted on 08/26/2002 1:54:44 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: Le-Roy
When it makes any sense, I'll respond.

When you respond, it won't.

98 posted on 08/26/2002 2:23:11 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
As I have said all along, "Liberate Zimbabwe!"

A side benefit will be our gaining sorely needed real estate for a time, allowing us to build up logistics support bases which we need "over there."

(Tx for the flare.)

99 posted on 08/26/2002 2:44:22 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Roscoe
That was actually pretty good, Roscoe. But don't you ever get tired of being a self-appointed peanut-gallery? When's the last time you actually tried to persuade someone, instead of just tossin' out disposable one-liners in a drive-by flaming?

It's good that you don't take yourself too seriously, but don't expect anybody else to, either.

100 posted on 08/26/2002 5:02:15 PM PDT by Le-Roy
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