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see info *here* for additional Glock *Phase three malfunction* info.
1 posted on 08/23/2002 2:24:13 PM PDT by archy
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we estimated that this has happened only once in 450,000 times when fired.
2 posted on 08/23/2002 2:25:56 PM PDT by ibbryn
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To: archy
Judging from the shooting ability that NY cops have demonstrated the guns may be more lethal as clubs. Besides pistols are illegal for anyone but cops to own therefore the police really don't need guns! ( There is no gun crime . . . . . right?)
3 posted on 08/23/2002 2:27:25 PM PDT by Nov3
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To: jdogbearhunter; alieno nomine; Xphantasos
Ping
4 posted on 08/23/2002 2:29:51 PM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: *bang_list
Here we go again! ;)
5 posted on 08/23/2002 2:32:29 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: archy
GOT COLT?
9 posted on 08/23/2002 2:50:30 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: archy
I dont like the trigger/safety mechanism on a glock.

That said, I have NEVER seen one jam.

10 posted on 08/23/2002 2:51:21 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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To: archy
And people wonder why I love 1911's and revolvers :)
11 posted on 08/23/2002 2:51:34 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: archy
"In the worst-case scenario...we estimated that this has happened only once in 450,000 times when fired."

I thought needed to be repeated.

12 posted on 08/23/2002 2:58:37 PM PDT by cruiserman
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For the record, IMHO, Chief Michael Collins of the NYPD is a moron and should be relieved. Any auto loading pistol that operates properly 449,999 out of 450,000 times is 99.9998% effective, about as close to perfection as is humanly possible. The members of the NYPD should be on their knees every night, thanking God, that they have Glocks. Chief Collins should spend some time improving the shooting skills of his officers, that might actually be of some use.
15 posted on 08/23/2002 3:13:51 PM PDT by Agent Smith
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To: Marine Inspector
Ping.
16 posted on 08/23/2002 3:30:30 PM PDT by PsyOp
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"Our studies have shown this to be a rare occurrence," said police spokesman Chief Michael Collins. "In the worst-case scenario...we estimated that this has happened only once in 450,000 times when fired."

If this is true, the New York Police Department may have the world's most reliable pistol.

19 posted on 08/23/2002 4:21:58 PM PDT by J Jay
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From what I've seen in the way cops care for their guns, it's a wonder that they don't have more problems than they do. Check out police trade-ins some time or if you have any police friends, check out their weapons.

I bought a police trade-in shotgun, cleaned all the gunk & mucus & burger grease off of it, replaced the pistol grip with a stock, sighted down the barrel and found that it could be used to shoot around corners due to the barrel being severely bent. Hope no cop had to rely on that gun to save his butt.
24 posted on 08/23/2002 4:51:07 PM PDT by chuknospam
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As far as I know all glocks are subjet to feed failures and smoke stacks when they are new. My theory is that some flashing remains on the injecttion plastic molded parts and this is the source of problems. I have heard others say it is caused by springs that need to break in. In any case after after you run about 2000 rounds through the gun the problem goes away and never returns.

I had the same problem with a glock 9mm I bought in 94. I took it back to a deputy that worked part time at the gun store and told him he sold me a lemon. He loaded it up ran the whole clip with no problems. It jammed progressively less for about a year and hasn't had a problem since then.

25 posted on 08/23/2002 4:58:58 PM PDT by SSN558
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The flaw, in which the shell casing fails to eject, has only arisen during practice and tests at the NYPD firing range, police officials say.

so naturally, it must be the firearm.

31 posted on 08/23/2002 6:22:20 PM PDT by galt-jw
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What I find interesting about this "phase 3" failure is that the civilian market has bought up far more Glock G19's than NYPD will in the next 100 years. And yet they are concidered very reliable, durable guns.

The one and only IDPA match I've ever been to had a mix of guns, but by far the Glock was most prevalent, followed by the 1911. The Glocks I witnessed shooting, including my own G17 and my friends G19 were flawless. I can't say that for the others though. I watched several FTF and FTE from 1911's. All the malfunctions came from what appeared to be reloaded ammo, but the Glock guys were shooting reloads to.

No one single instance is indicative of a problem. I would place the blame on the NYPD and their weird requirements of guns and ammo than blaming it on any pistol deficiencies.

35 posted on 08/23/2002 7:02:52 PM PDT by Double Tap
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I've had my glock jam up like their talking about exactly once: two weeks ago

I was using Wolf ammo. Upon firing, the case split, wedging itself firmly into the barrel, which required disassembly of the gun to get the @#%$^ thing out. My local gunsmith told me it's the third problem he's seen with Wolf ammo doing bad things in glocks (one of the other two, it blew up the glock).

Solution: don't use Wolf ammo any more (it's Russian-made using laminated steel case instead of brass). I got it as cheap practice ammo, but it's not worth the risk

45 posted on 08/24/2002 3:52:54 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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"More than half of the Police Department's handguns are subject to jam without warning,"

Lol...what a stupid sentance.

61 posted on 08/24/2002 9:18:40 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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Well Archy.... your behind all this eh ?:o)

All my GLOCK's (17-23-21-34-30) have never even burped or jammed regardless of ammo jammed down it's throat. Just a story (it's mine and I'll tell it like I want :o) about it's ability to function........When the glocks first hit the market I sold my first child to gypsies and used the money to buy a Glock 17. Carried it for a while but decided I really didn't like it better than my 1911A1 or Browning High Power P35. But it was fuctional. As we did a lot of work in water I kept the glock around to abuse per se as my ugly but functional sidearm.

At one point I was stationed near a small mom & pop ammunition maker that had five gallon buckets of misfit rounds his quality control folks had set aside from the good stuff. He would sell us GI's ,that he knew ,these buckets of 9mm with the understanding that we would return the brass to him.

Well some of that ammo was too long to even fit a magazine so it was left in the bucket but rounds that were too short or not loaded properly or had a smashed edge or crimp ect ect (rejects) were all "processed " through our Glock 17's on our EOD range . Yeah we had a few jams due to extream condition of ammo but for the most part those little glocks were and are IMHO and experience the baddedst little handgun on the market available to all these days and then. Of all that crap ammo we "disposed of through the Glock 17's we never had a burp unless the ammo was extreamly damaged , visably so.....

They were and are IMHO just a rugged, tough little pistola. My 1911A1's, SIG's and Glocks all require upkeep as does any mechanical device, cleaning and lube, replacing recoil springs after 5000 rounds or so is just a good idea if you use said weapon for duty or self defense.

These cops carry more than fire those glocks so I am of the opinion setting miles from NYC (thank goodness) that spring set or dust bunnies and old ammo (I've been told ammo gets old but never had it around long enough to see if true :o) are the real reasons the NYPD's glocks are going south if they really are at all.

You and I both know that to get new and improved (pretty) whizbang pistolas for ones unit , The old and worthless glocks < / sarcasm > , must be proved to be trash, dangerous to all involved and no confidence with those that carry em. This must be sold to the bean counter risk managers and budget folks along with a trade in deal that seems to make money for the major companies these days.

Glock made their dime on the initial sale, now SIG , Beretta or ect ect wlll make their money on the trade in's credit and sale of new and traded in handguns to police and civilians. Look at the bright side. Whole sh*tload of high capacity magazines coming on the market maybe :o) Or wasn't NYPD one of those that bought high cap glocks with low capacity magazines ??

Stay Safe ya'll.....

64 posted on 08/24/2002 10:19:23 AM PDT by Squantos
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I used to have a Marlin tube magazine .22 that I bought for close-range target use. I used Mini-Mags without any problems at all. One day a friend wanted to go shooting and said he would buy the ammunition. When we got there all he had brought was Peters.

I didn't get one 18 round tube emptied before I had to start dumping Hoppes down the barrel.

79 posted on 10/05/2004 1:06:03 PM PDT by Old Professer (Fear is the fountain of hostility.)
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turns out its either the magazine followers or the new feed ramp cuts...on later barrels

I have a gen 1 with no problems

get an aftermarket barrel or new followers no more problems

the new normal capacity mags have proven to be reliable

www.glocktalk.com


85 posted on 10/05/2004 1:46:11 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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