Glocks are not cheap.
Glocks are VERY reliable.
I own two (2); you own none. I know plenty about them; you know nothing about them.
Stay safe; stay armed; smoke 'em if you got 'em.
Posted on 08/23/2002 2:24:12 PM PDT by archy
Defects in NYPD handguns
Half subject to jamming
By BOB KAPPSTATTER and ALICE McQUILLAN
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Tuesday, August 20th, 2002
More than half of the Police Department's handguns are subject to jam without warning, a potentially dangerous flaw that can leave the weapons as "useless as paperweights," police sources said. Although the jamming is rare, the NYPD has been concerned enough to order a recall of 24,000 semiautomatic Glock handguns so they can be refitted.
This problem affects the Glock Model 19S - the gun carried by about 60% of the department's 39,000 officers. The flaw, in which the shell casing fails to eject, has only arisen during practice and tests at the NYPD firing range, police officials say.
"Our studies have shown this to be a rare occurrence," said police spokesman Chief Michael Collins. "In the worst-case scenario...we estimated that this has happened only once in 450,000 times when fired."
However, during an actual gun battle in Brooklyn, two Emergency Service Unit officers reported that their Glocks failed. Collins said that after an investigation of the October 2000 incident, ballistics experts said whatever problem those guns had, it was not the jamming malfunction that is the subject of the current recall.
To correct the problem, the Austrian-based Glock company has sent engineers to the NYPD's firing range at Rodmans Neck in the Bronx. Since June, they have repaired 3,200 weapons in a procedure that takes about an hour. Immediately afterward, officers tested the refitted weapons at the range, where the results have been excellent, Collins said. The process will continue until all 24,000 Glocks are fixed, he said.
There is a delay in fixing all the weapons, sources said, because cutbacks and the redeployment of officers to special details have made it difficult for cops to schedule time to have their guns repaired.
Sources also said that some of the Glocks have a different problem - locking. When a gun locks, a user can get it functioning again by removing the clip holding the ammunition and manually moving the slide to eject the stuck shell casing.
In that scenario, the source said, "You can be back in the gun battle in a matter of seconds, as opposed to the total jam where the guns become [as] useless as paperweights."
Either that or ammo problems. I've tested most all of the Glock line - with no jams nor other malfunctions.
I'm not enthusiastic about Glocks. Grip ergonomics is poor; bite on recoil common on some models.
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I had the same problem with a glock 9mm I bought in 94. I took it back to a deputy that worked part time at the gun store and told him he sold me a lemon. He loaded it up ran the whole clip with no problems. It jammed progressively less for about a year and hasn't had a problem since then.
Glocks are not cheap.
Glocks are VERY reliable.
I own two (2); you own none. I know plenty about them; you know nothing about them.
Stay safe; stay armed; smoke 'em if you got 'em.
Probably not. They saw the problem and replaced it. Rather than destroying the weapon they sold it to the public.
Did you get a good deal on it?
I recall no jams, misfires, or other malfunctions.
Ever.
Glocks are VERY reliable.
You're entitled to your opinion, I have mine. The NYPD didn't buy the HIGH bid weapon BTW.
so naturally, it must be the firearm.
Which is great if yours is the one that jams at the 450,000 mark - but really sucks if it jams at the start, just as you're using the weapon to defend yourself.
And don't they also shoot a special load for NYPD? Its factory ammo but a lower velocity than sold over the counter to everyone else I think.
The one and only IDPA match I've ever been to had a mix of guns, but by far the Glock was most prevalent, followed by the 1911. The Glocks I witnessed shooting, including my own G17 and my friends G19 were flawless. I can't say that for the others though. I watched several FTF and FTE from 1911's. All the malfunctions came from what appeared to be reloaded ammo, but the Glock guys were shooting reloads to.
No one single instance is indicative of a problem. I would place the blame on the NYPD and their weird requirements of guns and ammo than blaming it on any pistol deficiencies.
That's a pretty good description. Other systems work much better IMO. The Glock was intended to replace revolvers used by police officers who (it was said) would have trouble transitioning to a self-loading magazine-fed weapon.
The objective was to capture the market with a low-cost "safe" weapon. It has been successful for Mr. Glock in the police market but that doesn't make it a good weapon. If it takes 2,000 rounds before it's reliable that's not a weapon to put into service until it runs right.
My preference is the Sig P-220, but it's not for everyone.
Of course, I personally carry a HK USP as primary weapon, a Sig 239 as backup #1 (both with Hirtenberger FL +P+ Police ammo), a Walther PP Super 9x18 as backup #2 and a 7.65 PP as backup #3.
Of these the only one that jams is the PP, if you feed it cheap hollowpoints.
Before 1994 the primary weapon was a Walther P1, backup #1 was a P4 - I switched because the P38 line doesn't like to feed all hollowpoints (but they do like the FL ammo - it was designed for it) and you don't always know what ammo you will be able to get.
If you are really worried about jams & can't clear them carry a .38 Detective Special - that is what I bought my sister.
10,000 rounds through my G21 (.45) and counting.
5,000 rounds through my G19 (9mm) and counting.
1,000 rounds through my newly bought G30 (.45) and counting.
Still waiting to see my first malfunction of any kind.
Those underpowered reloads can be a b!tch. I had to fix a Browning BDM that a guy blew up shooting reloads that he made without knowing what he was doing. If he hadn't been wearing glasses he would have lost both eyes. The barrel was bulged so bad I had to cut the takedown lever apart with a dremel tool to get the gun apart.
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