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I oppose all Amnesties for Illegals Aliens, in any form.




1 posted on 08/22/2002 7:04:53 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Amnesty?

Absolutely not!

66 posted on 08/22/2002 8:45:32 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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We tried that once, under Reagan. We can all see the result: more of the same, except this time the numbers are bigger.

Unless a nation controls its borders it isn't a nation. Amnesty is just another way of invalidating the law. What is it that our government doesn't understand about the word "illegal?"
69 posted on 08/22/2002 8:56:03 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Sabertooth
No reward for illegally entering this country: no amnesty.
74 posted on 08/22/2002 9:03:45 AM PDT by missycocopuffs
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No Amnesties for Illegal Aliens, Deport them NOW!
75 posted on 08/22/2002 9:04:35 AM PDT by WhirlwindAttack
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To: Sabertooth
NO AMNESTY!
76 posted on 08/22/2002 9:06:51 AM PDT by Ajnin
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To: Sabertooth
Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?

No. But, I would support an Amnesty from prosecution if they left immediately... :-)

77 posted on 08/22/2002 9:08:54 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Sabertooth
Perhaps the most vain aspect of it is the conceit that it might stay on topic, but I'm going to give it a whirl.

Beautiful dreamer! :-)
81 posted on 08/22/2002 9:16:26 AM PDT by Valin
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>>> Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?
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1)Should the INS simply round up everyone who is illegal and in this country now and ship them back where they came from?

This is idiocy. The vast majority of Mexican illegals will be back in this country within a month after being deported. Furthermore, such drastic action is more than we have the resourses or the need to do given the fact that after coming into this country illegally, the vast majority of people (esp from Mexico) assimilate into our country and do not break any other laws. This isn't going to happen. We need to realize this to begin with.

2)Shouldn't we use the military to stop illegals from coming into our country then?

The military, which is now an all volunteer group with diminishing numbers has the more pressing problem of fighting terrorism overseas than stopping (mostly) gardeners from getting into our country from Mexico. Giving more support to the INS and finding out where the openings are in our border seem like a better way to do this. We also need to fire any PC motivated folks in the INS.

3)Yes, but aren't there a bunch of terrorists here illegally?

I have a hierarchy on whom to deport:

A)Anyone from a country hostile to the United States. Including, but not limited to, Saudi Arabians, Iraqis, Syrians, Egyptions, Sudanians, Yemenese, Lybians, Somalians, Jordanians, Palastinians, Pakistanis, Afghans, Iranians. We need to get rid of every one of these people before we deport the first person named Felipe.

B)Anyone who is here illegally who is a criminal Don't give the typical "just being here illegally is a crime" stuff, I mean a real crime like armed robbery or drug running. I also would like to see a little bit more time served for those who are illegal. Adding a premium on time served for all crimes to illegals would keep those wishing to come here to commit crimes to a minumum.

C)Anyone who is on the public dole at all. For this reason, I am in favor a complete background check for any person who applies for welfare of any kind. I believe in fingerprinting and full documentation for anyone who applies for welfare. I think these fingerprints need to be run to see whether the person is here legally or not. I believe that forcing people into the light of day before they can draw a welfare check would eventually eliminate those crossing the border to live off of welfare. If those already on welfare (food stamps, whatever program) can not agree to these terms, they will lose their benefits. If there is a rash of homeless illegals, I would deport them also (after fingerprinting, etc...).

D)That leaves those who in our country to work. For them, I believe we need to implement a guest worker program which allows those people to come and go with the seasons. Also, it would allow those people to apply for citizenship under the guise that they have been in our country working for some time. Those illegals in our country to do not sign up for this program will get deported. Those here on such a program need to be fingerprinted and not allowed to receive any gov assistance (ever).

Full amnesty? No. We need a plan. I do hope that George Bush picks a realist for INS chief and together they come up with something like the above.
85 posted on 08/22/2002 9:25:27 AM PDT by GmbyMan
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Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?

Trespass, confinement, arrogance, unappologetic proselytist crusade, all those are what an illegal alien is, and all those are unacceptable. Beggars are supposed to admit their sins and be appologetic before asking for money, so that we all understand they respect a balance of power and submit to the balanced custody of the providers.

Illegals destroy the concept of charity for the good and punishment for evil doers.

91 posted on 08/22/2002 9:32:12 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Sabertooth
And now answer your question.
If I thought it would have ny effect on solveing this problem I'd be for it. But (as others have pointed out) we've been there done that, and it just made things worse.
IMO the answer lies in changeing the culture/economy of Mexico/centeral america, so as to take away the insentive for these people to pack up and come up here. It has struck me over the last year or so that the people coming over our border are (for the most part) EXACTLY the type of people these government should be doing all in their power to keep at home.
94 posted on 08/22/2002 9:37:03 AM PDT by Valin
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Build a 1,500 mile double concertina wire wall on the border and have it watched by the National Guard!!
Then deport all the current illegals.
I don't think we have to worry much about the Canadians since they hate us anyway.
95 posted on 08/22/2002 9:38:55 AM PDT by rockfish59
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Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?

Hey, bank robbers just want a better life for themselves and their families. I think they should be granted Amnesty too. /sarcasm

All Illegal Aliens need to be rounded up and shipped out. Mexican illegals should not be dropped at the Mexico/US border, but instead at the Mexico/Guatemala border. Other foreign illegals should be treated similarly in order to prevent them from attempting another illegal border crossing/invasion of our nation.

98 posted on 08/22/2002 9:43:35 AM PDT by Spiff
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Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?

IMO ALL Portions of the Illegal Aliens should be Granted a Ticked back to their homeland. They can apply to enter this country LEGALLY if they wish to be here. And start by Respecting the law of the land. Now Had saying that, Any Person living in the US of A caught we send a bill of what they owe (any medical, SS, what have you) They must be paid back the money they ripped off from the American Tax Payer if they wish to even be Considered Granted Citizenship.
Live Free or Die Trying

99 posted on 08/22/2002 9:44:33 AM PDT by Japedo
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Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

100 posted on 08/22/2002 9:44:36 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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NO AMNESTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
102 posted on 08/22/2002 9:44:57 AM PDT by AZ GRAMMY
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To: Sabertooth
no amnesty. nada.
106 posted on 08/22/2002 9:47:49 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: Sabertooth
There should be NO amnesty for illegal aliens, none of them.

But isn't this a bit like preaching to the choir?
111 posted on 08/22/2002 9:54:45 AM PDT by MossbergPump
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No amnesty for any illegal aliens, for any reason, ever.

If your entree into this country began by showing no respect for its laws, there is no reason to believe that you will ever be a positive addition.

Further, as regards immigration in general, the numbers should be limited to a figure well below what they are now -- how many more sewage treatment plants, landfills, roads, hospitals, power generating plants, parking lots, schools, etc. do we need to build.

We are not in the same situation we were 100 years ago with regard to mass numbers of immigrants, and having room for them to live and build families, and hopefully, assimilate into our culture. Our cities are crowded, our roads are crowded, our power generating plants are approaching max capacity, essential services are already strained, sewage and fresh water infrastructures are maxed out. Our growth needs to be restrained and contained and moderated.
114 posted on 08/22/2002 9:56:26 AM PDT by spodefly
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Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?

Sure! Why not? Of course, this should be after serving jail-time for breaking our laws (or alternatively, deportation), after requesting residency and citizenship status in accordance with our laws and paperwork (in ENGLISH ONLY), and not being allowed to draw tax dollars until they have contributed for a period of 4 years. Then, definitely, we should welcome them to America, as Americans.

115 posted on 08/22/2002 9:58:56 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Sabertooth
Send 'em back.
123 posted on 08/22/2002 10:42:20 AM PDT by MistrX
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