Posted on 08/22/2002 7:04:53 AM PDT by Sabertooth
This is a vanity post, let's get that straight from the start.
Perhaps the most vain aspect of it is the conceit that it might stay on topic, but I'm going to give it a whirl.
One of the more contentious species of threads encountered on Free Republic are those dealing with the subject of America's immigration policy, particularly with regard to the Illegal Aliens currently in our country. According a range of reasonable sources, the estimates of their numbers here currently here range from six to thirteen million. Whatever the actual count, there are quite a few people now in violation of American immigration law.
One subtopic that inevitably arises is the question of Amnesty:
Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?
That's the question I'd like to put forward to the members of Free Republic.
Almost as inevitably on threads dealing with this subject, flame wars erupt. It's not my purpose to instigate another round of that, they're rather predictable. So I'd like to ask that your comments, if you're inclined to share them, focus on the big picture of American immigration policy, with particular attention to the subject of Amnesty. I'm not interested in the stock and gratuitous divisiveness of race-baiting or referring to the President as "Jorge," or anything of that nature from any quarter. It achieves nothing, it's sulphurous methane heat with no light shed.
I'd also like to avoid ad hominem ambushes. I'm genuinely interested in learning the collective feelings of Free Republic members on this subject. If you're gonna post, I'd like to ask that you ante up with your opinion on the question at hand before engaging the discussion with others. No taking potshots from the obscurity of the sidelines. I'll post my opinion below at #1.
Fair enough?
So, once again, here's the question:
Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?
Well no wonder you defend his ranting. You're in the same camp as him and NOT with our honorable President. Have fun on the dark side.
A big part of the problem is simply lack of enforcement of the existing law, especially on employers. We need highly publicized raids of some large employers, as well as some small ones. There used to be, and still is as far as I know, a $5000 fine levied against an employer for every illegal he hires. This law has not been enforced in many years.
The point is, if companies started paying fines right and left, it wouldn't take long for most of the illegal hiring to stop.
Agreed! They cross illegally for the money.
We need highly publicized raids of some large employers, as well as some small ones.
Interesting! Highly publicized, eh? I could get wonderful political mileage out of this one. Good idea.
The point is, if companies started paying fines right and left, it wouldn't take long for most of the illegal hiring to stop.
I've suggested similar tactics. It sounds far more rational AND workable than the venom-dripping lips I hear about this issue.
If you go after their employers. Take away their welfare benefits and other social services. Then give them a time certain to leave. Things should move along pretty quickly. Why would they stay?
How could the majority of them stay?
Just can't lose that race card can you?
Oh, and thanks for confirming by your steadfast refusal to answer my question that your are in fact a Communist. I suspected as much a while ago. There can be wide latitude of honest debate on the subject of immigration but No TRUE American would EVER advocate unlimited immigration...particularly from 3rd world countries. You are sewer scum.
How could the majority of them stay?
I'm not gonna tell you what I heard. I'm gonna tell you what I know. So oblige me, if you will.
I lived in the projects in Cleveland for 3 years. Now, there was a roach problem. So what did Mama do? She stayed on my backside on cleanliness because she told me that to get rid of them we had to take their incentive for being there, namely, food. They go where they can eat.
That meant NO eating in the bedroom or the living room. So after a couple of months, and many slices from a switch let me tell you (I love peanut butter, you see), the roach problem came under control.
Now, I'm not likening Mexicans to roaches. I give this illustration to show that if we can remove their incentive for migrating here illegally (money), they have to go elsewhere, or, come legally.
It's as simple as that, at least to me.
Tell me, who is going to determine if an individual is "working hard"? What world do YOU live IN? Heck, the INS doesn't even KNOW how many illegal aliens are in this country much less KNOW who they are or, more laughable, how "hard" they work. Does this sound workable to you? LOL.
Besides, since when have you cared whether an illegal alien is productive or not? Every time I see you, you are running around calling people racists for just mentioning ways of controlling illegal immigration. Actually I think Vicente Fox has more credibility than you do on this.
But I see. Let's just play this pretend game. Let's make up some feel good phony baloney "conditions" that will, of course, never be followed as an excuse to allow our country to continue to be trampled by millions of illegal aliens more than happy to get on the multi-billion dollar, taxpayer financed, welfare gravy train of America. And if they don't want to assimilate? Well let's not think unhappy thoughts. Let's just pretend that culture really doesn't matter and perhaps maybe it is the American Citizen to should assimilate to their foreign culture. Right VA?
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