Posted on 08/22/2002 7:04:53 AM PDT by Sabertooth
This is a vanity post, let's get that straight from the start.
Perhaps the most vain aspect of it is the conceit that it might stay on topic, but I'm going to give it a whirl.
One of the more contentious species of threads encountered on Free Republic are those dealing with the subject of America's immigration policy, particularly with regard to the Illegal Aliens currently in our country. According a range of reasonable sources, the estimates of their numbers here currently here range from six to thirteen million. Whatever the actual count, there are quite a few people now in violation of American immigration law.
One subtopic that inevitably arises is the question of Amnesty:
Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?
That's the question I'd like to put forward to the members of Free Republic.
Almost as inevitably on threads dealing with this subject, flame wars erupt. It's not my purpose to instigate another round of that, they're rather predictable. So I'd like to ask that your comments, if you're inclined to share them, focus on the big picture of American immigration policy, with particular attention to the subject of Amnesty. I'm not interested in the stock and gratuitous divisiveness of race-baiting or referring to the President as "Jorge," or anything of that nature from any quarter. It achieves nothing, it's sulphurous methane heat with no light shed.
I'd also like to avoid ad hominem ambushes. I'm genuinely interested in learning the collective feelings of Free Republic members on this subject. If you're gonna post, I'd like to ask that you ante up with your opinion on the question at hand before engaging the discussion with others. No taking potshots from the obscurity of the sidelines. I'll post my opinion below at #1.
Fair enough?
So, once again, here's the question:
Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?
Good point. There is nothing to stop illegals already here from tipping off relatives to cross the border once the amnesty was passed. Bush has said already that his plan is about "reuniting families". I don't think we're ready for each illegal to bring 20 or so family members to a reunion here.
The gist of this plan is to give all the illegals in our country 90 days to sell everything, they don't want to take with them, and return to their home countries.
All illegals apprehended after those 90 days would forfeit all.
I might add to that finger-printed, photographed and DNA sampled and never allowed to re-enter our country, ever.
Simultaneously, we enforce all existing laws on the books against employing illegal aliens.
Any American citizens caught hiding illegal aliens in their Las Vegas, Mormon missions will be imprisoned for no less than 20 years in the same cell with their so-called conservative brothers. Now, that's punishment. LOL.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
This should get the flow of illegals moving in the right direction.
I'd militarize the land borders and beef up the Coast Guard ASAP, as well.
That could be right. I've also been thinking that Bush's dedication to this insane position of his has to do with advancing the cause of UN control over national sovereignty. I don't trust Bush. His family has a history of treachery in politics and he's too slick by half with his phony Texas accent.
http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/prime/0822-127.html
Basically what's going on is a lawsuit by the federal government trying to deny Yaser Esam Hamdi American citizenship and Constitutional rights, even though he was born in the US to Saudis on a temporary work visa. If Uncle Sam wins at the Supreme Court level, children of illegals would NOT be automatic citizens by birth. That's a huge incentive for them to come here, and could technically allow the government to deport anyone living in the US born to illegals.
What a great idea. The U.N. has so many troops that are experienced in prostitution, drugs and weapons smuggling.
It wouldn't make any of that stuff harder to get, just more expensive.
Think Bush senior asked the Big K to make that public suggestion?
I've never understood, for the life of me, how the liberals got away for so long with saying that this:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and the state wherein they reside.
means this:
All persons born in the United States are citizens of the United States.
Let's just throw out 53.57% of the rest of the language in the Constitution, if we don't like it.
The 14th Amendment interpretation going on today is a strange one, if you read the intent of the writers it was never meant for the children of foreigners. Getting that fixed would be a huge victory since over 200,000 births a year at least are to illegals, most of them at taxpayer expense.
Perhaps that would not be the case if we sealed off access to all the free goodies they stand to gain by being here.
Zogby Amnesty Poll From 9/1/01
Some of what they found went like this.
"...60% of voters in union households oppose an amnesty and that 33% of all persons in union households said they would be less likely to vote for a Democrat who supports it..."
It pretty much went the same across the boards for Republicans, too.
Here's something else you'll find interesting.
"...51% of Hispanic U.S. CITIZENS are AGAINST amnesty!!!
Read the whole poll all the way to the end. It will tell you what questions they asked, who they asked and how they asked them the questions.
I know this can't compare to the kinds of opinions your brother shares with you from the Las Vegas Headquarters of the Chutch Brothers Mormon Mission Political Polling Place (that's a lot of Pee-z), but the rest of us will just have to make do with a scientific poll.
LOL!
There are a number of ways. The most obvious is that these people often have run-ins with the cops. They are asked for ID. They can't produce any. B'bye. Or how about when they show up to apply for their welfare benefits. Usually there's plenty of security on hand and a cop shop nearby. Call them. Or how about when they show up at the hospital for free benefits? Same thing. Or go to put their kids in school? Or cannot produce a SS# for an employer? They cannot live in a vacuum. Personally, I think the requirement of some of these documents is unconstitutional, but as long as Americans are required to be subject to producing them for everything from buying a car to opening a bank account to getting a phone hooked up or getting an eye exam, why the h*ll should illegals be exempt? It isn't that we can't locate and deport them. It is that we WON'T.
My exact thought. Some people just can't resist. Usually the same people.
Just wait. It's still early, yet. The anniversary of 9/11 isn't even here. Alot can happen.
Let's see if there was something coming that James Ziglar knew about that made him leave.
Like this:
Rash of flight credential thefts reaches Midlands
or this:
Britain On Standby For Nuke Strike; Secret Plan to Evacuate Millions in Terror Alert
Who knows? Oh, that's right. I forgot about your brother.
The poll said 33% of union member's households would be less likely to vote for a Democrat that favored amnesty.
Da'Shill and No Heart just proposed a blanket amnesty. Didn't they?
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