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DOJ to prosecute file swappers
ZDNet News ^ | August 20, 2002 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 08/21/2002 10:34:16 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort

ASPEN, Colo.--The U.S. Department of Justice is prepared to begin prosecuting peer-to-peer pirates, a top government official said on Tuesday.

John Malcolm, a deputy assistant attorney general, said Americans should realize that swapping illicit copies of music and movies is a criminal offense that can result in lengthy prison terms.

"A lot of people think these activities are legal, and they think they ought to be legal," Malcolm told an audience at the Progress and Freedom Foundation’s annual technology and politics summit.

Malcolm said the Internet has become "the world's largest copy machine" and that criminal prosecutions of copyright offenders are now necessary to preserve the viability of America's content industries. "There does have to be some kind of a public message that stealing is stealing is stealing," said Malcolm, who oversees the arm of the Justice Department that prosecutes copyright and computer crime cases.

In an interview, Malcolm would not say when prosecutions would begin. The response to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks temporarily diverted the department's resources and prevented its attorneys from focusing on this earlier, he said.

A few weeks ago, some of the most senior members of Congress pressured the Justice Department to invoke a little-known law, the No Electronic Theft (NET) Act, against peer-to-peer users who swap files without permission.

Under the NET Act, signed by President Clinton in 1997, it is a federal crime to share copies of copyrighted products such as software, movies or music with anyone, even friends or family members, if the value of the work exceeds $1,000. Violations are punishable by one year in prison, or if the value tops $2,500, "not more than five years" in prison.

Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), said his industry would "welcome" prosecutions that send a message to song-swappers.

"Some prosecutions that make that clear could be very helpful...I think they would think twice if they thought there was a risk of criminal prosecution," said Sherman, who was on the same conference panel.

Christopher Cookson, executive vice president of Warner Bros. and another panelist, said there was "a need for governments to step in and maintain order in society."

Swapping files in violation of the law has always been a civil offense, and the RIAA and the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) have the option of suing individual infringers and seeking damages.

But, Malcolm said, criminal prosecutions can be much more effective in intimidating file-swappers who have little assets at risk in a civil suit. "Civil remedies are not adequate...Law enforcement in that regard does have several advantages," Malcolm said. "We have the advantage, when appropriate, of opening up and conducting multi-jurisdictional and international investigations.

"Most parents would be horrified if they walked into a child's room and found 100 stolen CDs...However, these same parents think nothing of having their children spend time online downloading hundreds of songs without paying a dime."

Gary Shapiro, president of the Consumer Electronics Association, said he was skeptical about the view that peer-to-peer piracy should be a criminal offense. "If we have 70 million people in the United States who are breaking the law, we have a big issue."

The DOJ already has used the NET Act to imprison noncommercial software pirates, which software lobbyists hailed as "an important component of the overall effort to prevent software theft."

During his confirmation hearing in June 2001, Attorney General John Ashcroft told Congress that "given the fact that much of America's strength in the world economy is a result of our being the developer and promoter of most of the valuable software, we cannot allow the assets that are held electronically to be pirated or infringed. And so we will make a priority of cybercrime issues."

The letter from Congress complains of "a staggering increase in the amount of intellectual property pirated over the Internet through peer-to-peer systems." Signed by 19 members of Congress, including Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Ca., the letter urged Ashcroft "to prosecute individuals who intentionally allow mass copying from their computer over peer-to-peer networks."


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To: Skooz
RE: 318, 319, 320. Won't you go through and read the thread before hastily foisting your opinion on here. Your questions have been asked and answered numerous times already on this very thread.
321 posted on 08/26/2002 5:45:18 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
I did not "hastily foist... [my] opinion on here." I merely asked you three simple questions. Normally, I read every response on thread before I post, but this morning was an exception.

Now, if you can be more civil: Circle one: YES or NO.

322 posted on 08/26/2002 6:22:36 AM PDT by Skooz
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To: Skooz
Well, if you had read even the preceeding post (#317), your answer is there.
323 posted on 08/26/2002 6:31:57 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
Yes. It's classic "what's mine is mine and what's your's is mine" libertinism. Alwayas looking for a free ride, a short-cut, to shove the costs of their own indulgence onto the shoulders of other people. Many of them have the same attitude about dope.

This is how they define themselves as "conservatives."

I have no love for the record companies either. For the most part, I spurn their stuff. Neither do I copy it. The current music is dreck as far as I'm concerned. Why would I want to fill my home with dreck?

Good stuff I gladly pay for. But then, I'm a jack-booted thug statist.

324 posted on 08/26/2002 6:33:59 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: tdadams
Actually, I found it in post 206. Thanks!

WORLD SUCKELS USAS BREAST said:

If I bought a cd, I have paid rights to listen to that music. If the cd is defective after a period of time, I should be able to get the music again, without having to pay for it.

You replied:

Speaking for myself and probably most of the recording industry, that's acceptable.

325 posted on 08/26/2002 6:34:12 AM PDT by Skooz
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To: tdadams
BTW, sorry about not reading the entire thread before asking my questions. My wife has a new job and she has to be there before 7:00. That leaves me to get my daughter ready for school and get her there on time. I was in a rush this morning but found 5 minutes to get a fix for my morning FR jones. Normally, I would have about an hour.
326 posted on 08/26/2002 6:41:42 AM PDT by Skooz
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To: Skooz
No problem. It's tempting to just skip it when a thread gets to 300+ posts.
327 posted on 08/26/2002 6:51:50 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
If you buy an album and it gets lost or damaged, and you make another copy of it later that you didn't pay for, that's generally acceptable to most people in the recording industry, not by statute but by courtesy. How you get that new copy is up to you. The record company is under no obligation to supply it.

This becomes a problem if the industry actively obstructs the obtaining of a replacement copy via copy protection.

328 posted on 08/26/2002 6:59:59 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Kevin Curry
But then, I'm a jack-booted thug statist.

No you're not. You are a big time conformist and a conventionalist though.

329 posted on 08/26/2002 7:07:26 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Alas Babylon!
Yes, it's stealing, but is it wise policy to destroy the life of a young person by branding them a criminal for simple stealing of music via downloading?

This is a good point. While there should be some penalty for illegally redistributing copyrighted materials, the current penalties are grossly excessive for these sorts of offenses. (They are appropriate to someone running a large-scale bootlegging operation, however.)

By buying these laws, the industry has screwed itself -- either the law will not be enforced, and file-swapping will go on unabated, or it will be, and public outrage will eventually force a backlash that goes beyond restoring a reasonable equilibrium between copyright privileges and public use.

330 posted on 08/26/2002 7:08:31 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Skooz
Also, I bought The Beatles' "Revolver" album in 1968 (at age 8) and also in 1982. I wore the grooves off both of them. Last week, I had a Beatles jones and downloaded the whole album from WinMx. I have paid for it twice.

I bought the same album but after I took it out of the jacket I dropped it carelessly and broke it. So I stole the next one from the store because I had already paid for it once.

I also bought a book, and I left it on the park bench, so it was lost. So I stole another copy from the store so I could finish it.

331 posted on 08/26/2002 8:29:38 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Taliesan
What if he walked through your "for sale" house, decided he liked it but thought that a half million was about $300,000 more than the thing was worth, so instead bought a different parcel of land and built a house identical to the one for sale?
332 posted on 08/26/2002 8:30:22 AM PDT by Equality 7-2521
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To: AAABEST
But then, I'm a jack-booted thug statist.

No you're not

He's not? You might want to reconcider that after you read some more of his posts on other threads. LOL

333 posted on 08/26/2002 8:32:21 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Skooz
Last year I transferred my Alexander Scourby New Testament on cassette to CDs via my sound card and CD burner (using Total Recorder). Some of the passages on the cassettes were unintelligible as they are quite old. I went to Morpheus and downloaded the chapters that could not come through from my cassettes.

I always wondered about people who stole bibles. LOL

334 posted on 08/26/2002 8:34:07 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
Uhhhhh....one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. I already received a more reasoned and lawful response from tdadams. Thanks anyway.
335 posted on 08/26/2002 9:30:05 AM PDT by Skooz
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To: ThomasJefferson
I always wondered about people who stole bibles. LOL

Hard to steal something you have paid for. LOL.

336 posted on 08/26/2002 9:38:36 AM PDT by Skooz
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To: tdadams
Myth: Cable piracy is wrong.

Fact: Cable companies are big faceless corporations, which makes it okay.

-- Homer reads the `So you've decided to steal cable' pamphlet, ``Homer vs. Lisa and the 8th Commandment''

337 posted on 08/26/2002 10:03:58 AM PDT by allthingsnew
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To: Skooz
Uhhhhh....one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. I already received a more reasoned and lawful response from tdadams. Thanks anyway.

They are precisely the same. Furthermore, you know it.

338 posted on 08/26/2002 10:05:53 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Skooz
Hard to steal something you have paid for. LOL.

The bible is not copyrighted. But if you copied anything which is copyrighted, you stole. It's simple even if you don't want to admit it. People who have stolen are always trying to justify and rationalize their behavior instead of just admitting it, asking forgiveness and moving on. Furthermore, many are planning to steal more in the future so they cannot in good concience admit it is wrong. So they try to figure out someway to think it's ok so they can continue to live under the fantasy that they are moral people.

It's the same way with phony, padded insurance claims and the like.

339 posted on 08/26/2002 10:14:58 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: tdadams
I have never seen such a sign at any library.
340 posted on 08/26/2002 11:54:01 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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