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Angry father of murder victim storms out of courtroom
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 | M.L. LYKE

Posted on 08/21/2002 10:19:31 AM PDT by ValerieUSA

EVERETT -- An irate father stormed out of a crowded Snohomish County Superior Court room yesterday, declaring the sentencing of one of his son's killers a mockery.

"Good God! You've got to be joking!" exclaimed Pat Lorbiecki, erupting from his seat after Judge Richard Thorpe handed Emmanuel Wilson a sentence of 12 1/2 years for second-degree murder and assault with a deadly weapon.

Prosecutors had recommended a sentence of 20 years for 17-year-old Wilson, who admitted wielding the souvenir baseball bat used in the clubbing of 15-year-old Joshua Lorbiecki.

Many of Pat Lorbiecki's angry friends and relatives followed him out of the courtroom, which was filled to standing-room-only, with security officers screening people at the door and keeping guard inside.

Wilson was one of four youths sentenced yesterday for their part in the botched robbery plot that left the popular Everett High School sophomore to die on a middle-school playfield Nov. 17 of last year.

Authorities say that on the night of his death, Joshua Lorbiecki called one of the boys, Matthew Teague, to make a marijuana buy. Teague and three companions -- Emmanuel Wilson, his older brother Fernando and their cousin Steve Limar -- admitted to hatching a plot to "jack Joshua," luring him to the playfield to rob him of some $400.

They never got the money.

Although the boys rifled Lorbiecki's pockets, they found only $12.

Police later discovered $400 stashed away in a separate pocket.

Court records indicate that two of the boys attempted to help Lorbiecki off the field after the beating, but took off when they heard sirens, leaving him to die. They all fled town soon after.

The four defendants, ages 16 to 20, all pleaded guilty to second-degree murder in the case. None had prior convictions. The state had recommended different sentences for each defendant, based on the degree of culpability. But all four were sentenced to 10 1/2 years -- the low end of the sentencing range -- with Wilson receiving an additional two years for the deadly weapon charge.

"Imposing a sentence in a case like this is an awesome task," Thorpe said yesterday.

"Nobody can bring Joshua back. And nobody but God can help the family."

Defense lawyers yesterday portrayed the four youths as teenagers who had made a mistake, with no intent to injure anyone. Though they abandoned Lorbiecki at the field, they had no idea how badly he was hurt, the lawyers said.

Friends and relatives of the defendants painted a picture of good kids, trying to make it in a world of drugs and violence. "No family is untouched with the madness that runs wild in our society," said Emmanuel and Fernando's father, Robert Wilson.

All four youths apologized to the Lorbiecki family yesterday for the loss of Joshua, who, though he had some run-ins with the law, was a well-liked youth who loved sports, hip-hop music, computer games and the outdoors.

The 15-year-old, who had been a bat boy for the Mariners, was planning on trying out for the football team.

"What we did that day was wrong," said Matthew Teague. "We never thought it would be this serious."

Emmanuel Wilson apologized to the Lorbiecki family -- and to his own girlfriend, who brought their new baby daughter to court.

"I'm sorry I won't be there to raise my daughter," he said.

Joshua Lorbiecki's aunt, Tina Smith, surprised the defendants and most everyone in the courtroom with a speech praising her "awesome nephew" and drawing on biblical citations.

Her God, she said is a God of forgiveness.

Then she turned to face the defendants, her face screwed up in pain, tears running down it, and told them:

"I, for one, forgive you."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: baseballbat; juveniles; marijuana; robbery
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To: Raymond Hendrix
No, Tina Smith is a real Christian from what I have read here.

If forgiving the scum that killed one of my relatives like this is a requirement for being a Christian, I know I will never qualify.

I certainly don't forgive Clinton for what he did to this country.

21 posted on 08/21/2002 11:24:04 AM PDT by 07055
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To: Schnucki
"Tina clearly lives what she believes and it costs her more dearly than any of the names thrown at her by the exasperated."

That might be very much indeed. I expect she isn't very popular with her nephews family these days. Especially after the verdict was read. I'd have to agree with the poster who called her an idiot.

22 posted on 08/21/2002 11:26:47 AM PDT by monday
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To: monday
You're all wrong about Christian forgiveness.
Forgiveness is for YOUR heart to remain pure. Haven't any of you met someone completely bitter and cynical. It's usually because they harbored a grudge for so long.

Don't assume that forgiving someone means you don't want them punished to the full extent.

23 posted on 08/21/2002 11:48:26 AM PDT by triggerhappy
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To: ValerieUSA
Sure drug (marajuna) use is a "victimless" crime.

Too bad the father wouldn't accept responsibility for not effectively deturing his son from doing drugs or doing whatever he did to get $400 to try to make this fateful drug buy. The sad part is the father probably gave this kid fists full of cash just to avoid having to spending time with him.

That said, the perps should hang.
24 posted on 08/21/2002 11:52:36 AM PDT by anymouse
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To: ValerieUSA

Where is Judge Roy Bean when you need him?

25 posted on 08/21/2002 11:52:52 AM PDT by Militiaman7
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To: ValerieUSA
Although the boys rifled Lorbiecki's pockets, they found only $12. Police later discovered $400 stashed away in a separate pocket.

What's wrong with our schools today? Why aren't they teaching people how to loot the dead efficiently?

(It's a joke, guys!)

26 posted on 08/21/2002 11:52:58 AM PDT by Tancred
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To: Raymond Hendrix
What weird concepts of Christianity and forgiveness I see here!

Jesus and two other men were executed on Calvary one day. The two others were robbers and knew that they deserved their death sentences. One dared to mock Jesus with the rest of the crowd even then, but the other declared the innocence of Jesus along with his own guilt and begged forgiveness, which was granted for eternity. However, despite His power to save Himself and anyone else from crucifixion that day, Jesus did NOT save the forgiven man from the justice served to him on earth.

Divine Forgiveness does not mean suspension of earthly justice.
It does not mean, "Look at me, I am so Holy that I forgive murderers who did not murder me and robbers who did not steal from me."

Without the establishment of justice in society, and a fearful reverance for its true meaning in individuals, one cannot acknowledge the full weight of guilt or express true humility. The miracle found in mercy is incomprehensible to those who refuse to administer justice.

Agape Love is not a feeling - nor are justice, repentance and forgiveness mere feelings.

Tina Smith is an idiot who skipped all the work and deep thought of understanding justice and went straight for the emotional public forgiveness performance. It has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with feeling good about herself.
27 posted on 08/21/2002 11:54:59 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
I'd be waiting for him with a baseball bat when he gets out.
28 posted on 08/21/2002 12:12:37 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: monday; ValerieUSA
Well, re-reading and giving it some thought, I'm starting to have some mixed feelings about the appropriateness of Tina's public display.

I don't argue with her personal forgiveness based on her understanding of God's Will, but for her to publicly stand up and display it while the family members, those who were directly wounded, are coming to grips with the frustration and anger of the situation ... .

Even if they were bound to come to the same conclusion, I can imagine that her announcement could be seen more as meddling in someone else's pain rather than as a genuine witness to the love of God.

I need more time to think this one through.

29 posted on 08/21/2002 12:15:43 PM PDT by Schnucki
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To: ValerieUSA
Well Spoken.
30 posted on 08/21/2002 12:21:02 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: ValerieUSA
Some very well written and thought out comments.
31 posted on 08/21/2002 12:27:44 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: What Is Ain't
"And then she pulled out her Uzi and distributed true justice on the perps."

That is just too funny.

32 posted on 08/21/2002 12:32:19 PM PDT by bribriagain
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To: ValerieUSA
"Nobody can bring Joshua back. And nobody but God can help the family."

Well a good start in helping the family would be to give them the justice they deserve. But nooooo, let's pamper the murderous little creeps that took his life.

33 posted on 08/21/2002 12:46:48 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Mercat
You are right. This story should be a lesson about dealing with drug dealers. My apologies to all the druggie libertarians out there.

As soon as someone sets out to commit a crime, he should be willing to take the consequences.

The criminals who beat this boy should sacrifice their lives for the life they took.
34 posted on 08/21/2002 12:51:42 PM PDT by Chemnitz
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To: ValerieUSA
Tina Smith is an idiot who skipped all the work and deep thought of understanding justice and went straight for the emotional public forgiveness performance. It has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with feeling good about herself.

BUMP

35 posted on 08/21/2002 1:00:24 PM PDT by Sloth
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To: I still care
I wonder what the judge would feel if someone beat her child to death with a bat and told her it was a mistake...

Ah, now - it's DIFFERENT if you kill a member of the Club or one of their progeny...

One of two men convicted of killing the son of U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush was sentenced to 90 years in prison...

;-)


36 posted on 08/21/2002 1:37:23 PM PDT by an amused spectator
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To: ValerieUSA
Judge Richard Thorpe handed Emmanuel Wilson a sentence of 12 1/2 years for second-degree murder and assault with a deadly weapon.

He will be out in 6 yrs. or less.

Revenge is best served up cold.

37 posted on 08/21/2002 1:44:00 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Mercat
$400 worth of weed in this area of the country could very well be no more than an ounce. Possesion of an ounce just about anywhere in the country is a misdemeanor. The fine would be about $100 to $200. I guess its OK to be murdered for running a stop light. After all you were breaking the law and should no better.

I will certainly not defend a young man of his age buying or using weed. There are better things for him to be doing.

For the Drug warriors out there to equate his behaviour with reasonable expectations of death, is beyond ignorant. May this father find some comfort in the coming months. May the Drug Warriors of FR someday get a clue>

38 posted on 08/21/2002 1:59:51 PM PDT by vikzilla
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To: ValerieUSA
"I'm sorry I won't be there to raise my daughter," he said.

Yeah, right. I'm glad the wounded parties stormed out of the courtroom. We should have more of that going on.

39 posted on 08/21/2002 2:03:58 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: ValerieUSA
Who said that forgiveness means that justice should not be served? Please read before you respond. Neither I nor the boy's aunt asked for justice to be suspended.
40 posted on 08/21/2002 2:34:16 PM PDT by Raymond Hendrix
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