Bush to push for thinning

Oregon Live/ AP ^ | 21 August 2002 | AP Staff

[JohnHuang2]

Special ping...

[putupon]

Bush to push for thinning

Yeah, maybe for a week or two, then forget about it just like he did drilling for oil in ANWR.

[Grampa Dave]

Thank you, and this is critical like you noted in the goal to take back the senate.

If the senate is taken back and the enviral poster boy Da$$hole scurries back to his head Rat hole. We can start to reverse the decades of anti America/American and anti capitalism edicts/laws that enable the watermelons to hurt America/Americans 24/7 the past two decades.

Everyone remembers Da$$hole as the enviral Opecker poster boy who prevented a senate vote to allow us to drill for oil in Alaska. The envirals want us more dependent on Opecker Oil and work 24/7 to make us more dependent on Opecker Oil.

[justshe]

Took me a while to track this down, but here is the information re: thinning for fire protection in east side forests. It is NOT just in Oregon. AND........this only impacts those states covered under the NW Forest Plan (OR,WA,ID).

Where I live on the Umpqua Nat'l Forest (Apple fire), the 'old growth' designation of 120 years essentially takes the majority of this forest off the 'thinning' map....even IF west-side forests were included.

SUMMARY OF THE FOREST RESTORATION AND PROTECTION ACT OF 2002

ON THE WESTSIDE during the first 90 days following enactment:

The FS establishes, with the BLM, F&W, NMFS and the Department of Justice, the Northwest Forest Plan Legal Settlement Team (Team) to negotiate a Universal Settlement on all existing Northwest Forest Plan area lawsuits: Concurrently: the Team immediately negotiates a moratorium on any new timber sales while the Universal Settlement is being negotiated and while the Surveys (below) are being completed AND negotiates a settlement on the Rothstein decisions (PCFFA II and III) that protects fish habitat and releases timber for harvesting.

The FS and BLM complete an Old Growth Survey to identify the 120 year plus old growth stands for protection;

The FS and BLM complete an Active Management Survey to identify where ecologically sound active management can occur immediately in the Late Successional Reserves (up to 80 years) and in the Matrix (up to 120 years).

IF the Team can resolve the Rothstein decisions, then during the next 120 days they continue negotiations on the Universal Settlement, informed by the Surveys. The Universal Settlement must include the following commitments: (1) no old growth stands (120 plus) will be harvested; (2) priority timber harvest projects are given to LSR thinning and Matrix areas to promote development of diverse age stands; (3) the plaintiffs must agree NOT to the sue on the priority timber harvest projects; (4) Survey and Manage and other Northwest Forest Plan procedures are replaced by whatever the negotiations determine are the new procedures necessary to meet ESA requirements; (5) in the case of the loss of old growth due to natural occurrences, the area affected shall be managed only to promote the redevelopment of old growth.

For the future:(1) If there are new lawsuits on the Settlement sanctioned projects, then the FS and BLM carry an evidentiary presumption in their favor in court; (2) The Forest Service shall create in the Northwest Forest Plan area watershed and stream restoration programs which will be authorized at $20 million over five years.

ON THE EASTSIDE (OR,WA, ID) during the first 60 days after enactment:

The Forest Service shall identify projects on the Eastside as follows: NEPA-ready; ecologically beneficial hazardous fuels reduction; active management; thinning from below; Fire Risk Class III and II; using only temporary roads; blowdown or burns.

The Forest Service forms a Collaborative Review Board (15 members) to review the projects for expedited implementation. The CRB contains representatives from the environmental community, timber industry, community based forestry, Forest Service, and State foresters from each state.

During the next 15 business days (total 75 days after enactment) the CRB reviews projects for suitability for expedited implementation. To move forward on an expedited basis a project will have a 2/3 vote. During the next 15 business days (total 90 days after enactment) the public has an opportunity to review and comment on the projects expedited.

No later than 90 days after the bill is enacted, the FS shall implement the CRB approved hazardous fuels reduction projects. Anyone can challenge these projects in court, but not administratively, if they commented during the 15 day comment period; The plaintiff must prove, on the merits, that their plan for the forest is more ecologically sound than the project they are opposing. the FS carries a court presumption in their favor if the project has been reviewed by the CRB;

For the Future: The Forest Service may create Eastside Stakeholder Monitoring Groups (seven members) that discusses each project before it occurs to develop consensus on the condition the project shall leave the land and how the project shall be implemented. Projects that have an Eastside Stakeholder Monitoring Group will carry the same appeals processes as for the CRB projects.

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My Comments: There are some significant changes between this bill and the 'Daschle Exemption Amendment' that was signed. One HUGE difference is that THESE fire thinning projects must be NEPA ready. Daschle exempted his forests from NEPA regulations. And then of course, as I read this, all other states are not addressed at all.

The Wyden/Craig bill I posted above is only conceptual at this point, I believe. So I think NOW is the time to make our views known to President Bush and to Senator Gordon Smith this week! And push YOUR Senators and Reps to negotiate a FAIR/SANE bill, ala the Daschle amendment. This hodgepodge bill, as I read it, requires a 'Mother-May-I' from the environmentalists to go forward.

[Grampa Dave]

As usual you guys forget about who controls the senate. Great selective memory!

[Enterprise]

"They hate capitalism!"

Good. Because we don't give a warm cut 'o spit for the tree huggers anyway! I hope they hug a tree and get their nuts bit by a squirrel!

[Grampa Dave]

This is the key to the Mother May I bill, The Wyden/Craig bill I posted above is only conceptual at this point, I believe. So I think NOW is the time to make our views known to President Bush and to Senator Gordon Smith this week! And push YOUR Senators and Reps to negotiate a FAIR/SANE bill, ala the Daschle amendment. This hodgepodge bill, as I read it, requires a 'Mother-May-I' from the environmentalists to go forward.

Regardless what the President wants, nothing will be done in the Da$$hole controlled senate. If enough of his Rat Pack envirals are voted out of office, then in January 2003, things can start to change. He will start the process by using this as issue to start the discussion. The enviral nazis have blocked any sane discussions for decades and in particuliar during the Clintoonian Legacy years.

[Grampa Dave]

I saw that slip.

I believe that was a slip of the mind of the AP writer who wrote this story, or the editor or proof reader. When I saw that I went back to the original article on the web site to see if my coffee deficit was winning. Sure enough it said "My Mind"! :)

[alaskanfan]

It's a renewable resource, that and the fact that people will be put to work really gets to those greenies.

[madfly]

ping

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for your honesty and comments.

I can tell you that President Bush has the Enviral Nazi Nannies in the Kali wine country all upset. They have their Club Sierra Bravo Sierra talking points and are wasting no time condemning his speech before he even gives it. That is a very good sign for me!

Lets hope that it starts out here and continues to your area re the controlling of these Green Jihadists who hate America/Americans.

Please post a link or two to your Sawgrass Rebellion on this thread as it all ties in together. The Green Jihadists are out to destroy America, and your Sawgrass Rebellion is a good start in reversing their rural cleansing of America agendas.

[Mudboy Slim]

"The enviral Green Jihadists are against any thinning or even removal of dead trees. So there is a real collision coming up."

GOOD!! Right's gotta crush these Enviro-Whackos in hand-to-hand political combat, exposing their purely Socialist Agenda in the process!!

FReegards, Gramps...MUD

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for your ping!

As I noted to AAAbest, the Enviral Nazi Nannies in the Kali Wine country are having nightmares about the PR damage/reality of these fires and what the President will or even might say in Medford tomorrow.

Ebuck's bumper sticker on my OJ Simpson big Bronco triggered a heated discussion with one of these Enviral Nazi Nannies in a local parking lot yesterday. He was stroking out after the discussion.

Ebuck, it might be time to repost info on your bumper sticker that causes envirals to stroke out!

[Enterprise]

I just wish the meanie greenies weren't a renewable resource. Well, they aren't exactly a resource are they. More like a case of ringworm than a resource.

[Carry_Okie]

I see your tree and raise you this one!

 

They're fisting the tree!!!

[PhiKapMom]

Grampa Dave --

You are 100% correct about nothing being done in the daschle Senate. All we can do is take this information and spread it to everyone we know in our efforts to Take Back the Senate and Keep the House.

A Republican Congress with President Bush is the "ONLY" hope we have of getting sane laws passed on the environment! Only with new laws on the books that recognize that forests have to be maintained and managed can we start preventing the widespread forest fires we see today in the West.

Best hope for Sane Environmental Programs --

Vote Republican in November 2002 and throw out the RATS!

[RobFromGa]

bump for SANE forest management policies.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks Mud.

It is amazing how many capitalistic conservatives fail to realize that the Green Jihadists are socialists to fascists to communists who hate our capitalistic system. Every tactic, every agenda and every stance of theirs is a pre planned attack on our capitalistic system.

[Grampa Dave]

The greenies are one of the worst parasitic groups ever foisted on us.

None of them produce a product or service that helps mankind. Their goal is stop food production, farming, ranching, fishing, logging, production of electricity, mining of coal, drilling for oil and gas and all the things that we need to live. Of course they don't want the masses living on earth. That is why they push their abortion, rural cleansing and other anti human agendas.

They depend on our tax $'s, law suits and donations from those who hate America to exist.

So they are ringworms and any other parasitic reference.