Bush to push for thinning

Oregon Live/ AP ^ | 21 August 2002 | AP Staff

[Enterprise]

Your post is well worth reading for others posting on the subject. It could almost go without being said that most people sincerely believe in rational management of our resources. It makes one weary to have to explain to people that trees can be raised, harvested, and re-planted for future harvesting. There is NO destruction of the enviornment by doing this. It is silly to believe that the logging industry would want to cut down millions of acres of trees and have no thought for the future by NOT re-planting. Is it not ironic though that the greenies are perfectly content to watch those same millions of acres of trees go up in flames in the name of "conservation?" I think a serious case can be made for mental illness with that point of view.

[AuntB]

....rain???....Oh, yes, now I remember what that is...kinda like a shower only with your clothes on, huh?

[cake_crumb]

Thank you SO much for the list of President Bush's achievements, and reminding the rabid Bush bashers whove been inflicting themselves upon us more and more often that we know he is not what they would have us believe.

OH, *nearly 80 percent of the increase in funding for his so-called "farm bill" is earmarked FOR THE US FORESTRY DEPARTMENT, A DIVISION OF THE USDA.

...Which is why, unlike the rabid Bush bashers, I knew this was coming, and started talking in earnest to all of the foresters, contractors and mills that I'm familiar with, and know are into timber management, to get ready and help the president because this was not going to be easy.

[EBUCK]

nearly 80 percent of the increase in funding for his so-called "farm bill" is earmarked FOR THE US FORESTRY DEPARTMENt

Not to be a burr here but I think we'd all be better served if Bush had left it up to US to take care of our forests. Giving the Flouristry Dept. more money will only serve to cause more harm in the long run.

EBUCK

[putupon]

We're having a conversation about stopping, lunatic fringe tree hugging, root sucking, enviro-nazis terrorist's !!

Well you have nothing to worry about there, W has Gale Norton in charge of that. Shes keeping the enviro-wackos in check, just ask the people in Klamath.

As for W, I can bitch about him all I want too, I donated my hard earned money to get him there. The product hasn't been what was advertised.

[r9etb]

It makes one weary to have to explain to people that trees can be raised, harvested, and re-planted for future harvesting. There is NO destruction of the enviornment by doing this.

That's not precisely true: logging -- especially large area clear-cutting -- does interrupt the natural workings of the ecosystem. If the logging area is left alone, there are often erosion and other problems, and it's not certain that the forest would regenerate.

I think what you're really suggesting is that the ecosystem can be restored or, as I've personally observed, it can be logged in such a way that the ecosystem is not really changed (e.g., selective logging).

It is silly to believe that the logging industry would want to cut down millions of acres of trees and have no thought for the future by NOT re-planting.

You have more faith in human nature than I do. I can easily see an Enron-type logging company looking at the cost of re-planting and restoration, and deciding to go keep the profits instead. It's not like they'll be alive to re-log the area. That's why I'm not troubled by the idea of reasonable regulations on restoration.

[EBUCK]

You have more faith in human nature than I do. I can easily see an Enron-type logging company looking at the cost of re-planting and restoration, and deciding to go keep the profits instead. It's not like they'll be alive to re-log the area. That's why I'm not troubled by the idea of reasonable regulations on restoration.

Pleanty of evidence here in the NW to support that scenario. But in todays climate most logging companies are pretty strict about re-planting etc.. The potential fallout, loss of future contracts, fines are enough to keep them inline if their future harvests aren't.

EBUCK

[cake_crumb]

"This the same company that I querried. If they'll put this anti-catholic (Pope) board up I'm certain that we'd get our up without problem."

Or at the very least, if we use this this vile hate-speech billboard calling the pope the anti-Christ in our arguments to the environazis who are sure to protest....we might not have our billboard in the end....but neither will the antiCatholicnazis have their anti-Catholic billbord. Mainly 'cause the environazis'll probably sue.

I mean, the argument of those psychos is "we don't hate Catholics, we hate the "political structure" of the Catholic church. That's like the Islamonazis saying we like Christians...we only kill them because we don't like their politics."

In case they don't sue...since that great photo of the elk hiding in the water from the fire was released into the public domain....maybe we can get permission to use that on the billboard, with the slogan sort of like a summary of our message.

[blackie]

"Shower with your clothes on" is an analogy for another activity, Sweet B...heehee

[MeekOneGOP]

[cake_crumb]

"Right-on Seamus...let's log !!"

Hmmmm......that's inspiring.....

America......LET'S LOG!!

[blackie]

What's missing in your miserable little life, get a grip !!

GWB is accountable, he has integrity and he is a great leader !!

You'll have six plus more years to polish up your "whining weasel" bashBush act !!

Enjoy your misery, I'm not sharing it with ya !!

I also donate money (well spent) to GWB, the NRA, GOA, OFF, SAS, Liberty Belles, Gordon Smith and Free Republic and Sierra Press.

[blackie]

Yes... !!

America...Let's Log !!

[EBUCK]

The anti-catholic BB is being taken down because the contract expired not because of the suit. This guy I talked to sounds like a real fighter and would defend the BB with his already hired team of lawyers.

EBUCK

[glock rocks]

Let's Log !

indeed !

and none of that sissy ass catch and release logging

[Species8472]

"If Species 8472 is not busy fighting some of these fires in Alaska, maybe he can give us an update on total acres burnt.

Official figures put fire loss in Alaska this summer at 2,126,000 Acres.

The monsoon has begun here in southcentral with lots of much needed rain. The fire season is winding down.

[justshe]

~~~~~When did the Forest Service and Govt become so fearful of the Sierra Clubbers and their fellow eco-mafia? Are they so afraid of having their buildings burned down that they will be forced to make useless symbolic gestures at forest management that they will not actually manage those forests? Or are they afraid of the PC Gestapo to the level of fearing that not saving a dead tree is equivalent of killing a whale? The fact that these eco-gangsters can stop any actions in the nations forests no matter how positive proves how powerful and threatening they have become.~~~~~

Bray, here is the answer to your question. The enviros have a willing partner in stopping ALL sensible approaches to managing the forests. I don't know WHAT you do about this, when federal judges STAY decisions or completely REVERSE decisions. If the USFS takes action, they are in violations of federal court order. THIS is the power behind the Sierra Clubbers and other envirowacko groups.

August 02 Rush Limbaugh newsletter:

BENCH SCORE: Who Picked The Judges

Johnson........1
Ford...........5
Nixon..........7
Carter........38
GW Bush.......59
Vacancies.....95 (Current vacancies)
Reagan.......142
Bush.........156
Clinton......359

Now, some of this can be ascribed to single vs. double terms. But the numbers are STILL mind-boggling. We have an ENORMOUS job ahead of us! Clinton totally packed the courts. And the enviros are taking FULL advantage.

[blackie]

I like clear cutting small sections at a time and replanting...use it all...waste not, want not... :o)

Lock 'n Load !!

Molon Labe !!

[upchuck]

I am sorely disappointed!

When I first saw this headline in the forum I thought Dubya has changed his mind on Illegal CRIMINAL Aliens.

[cake_crumb]

Most of the money was earmarked for firefighting and management of lands already under the pervue of Parks and Forestry. It's to refund the Forestry Department of the funds that Clinton stole from their budget for his Land Aquisition "legacy." That land aquisition resulted in the over 8 million acres which burnt during the 2000 wildfire season, and resulted in the practice of giving National Guard members a three-day crash course in firefighting then dropping thim into a forest fire, rather than relying on State Forestry-trained "specialists" as they used to.

The specialsts cost too much money, so the logic goes....they can also get bad fires out much more quickly, so they government doesn't have to PAY them as long. Also, it goes without saying that more homes and habitat are then saved. I doubt the current policy will change, but I have been arguing to bring some of the specialists back. I doubt that'll happen, but there might be some middle ground.

I understand where you're coming from though when it comes to private land.