Socialization and Mass Forced Schooling - Destroying the Civilization that has given rise to it.

etherzone.com ^ | August 21, 2002 | Frederick Fowler

[muir_redwoods]

If the ONLY way for children to be socialized to the American way of life is for the schools to teach them, then it follows that the schools are taking full credit (or blame) for the behaviour of American children. If this is so how do they explain Columbine?

Wait, wait, don't tell me, it's the NRA's fault, right?

[mamaduck]

homeschooler bump

[TopQuark]

One of the most common arguments given against parents' teaching their children at home, and in favor of government-controlled schooling, is that, without schooling of the kind provided by our rulers, children cannot be socialized to life in modern America. A typical straw man method: no one said what the author is trying to refute. "Without schooling of the kind provided by our rulers" --- no one refers to schooling as socialization. IN fact, regardless of what kind of schooling a person has, socialization occurs because one does it with others; it is a corporate experience, regardless of its content.

But the question is never asked... why is it of such great importance that many people give it more weight than any other aspect of schooling? No one gives it more weight. The argument is that home schooling does not provide any socialization because it is an individual rather than collective experience.

If we look at the meaning of the word, we find two branches, one of which is that of making a person fit to deal with others, that is, giving him certain inhibitions and a rudimentary stock of manners, so that he will not offend other people. The other meaning of "socialize" is to organize or form in accordance with the principles and aims of socialism. No! Only when specifically referred to the means of production.

Instead of a father passing on to his son the traditions and customs of his country, we have teachers training children in the same way that a master trains his dog. Even if this were true, this is an argument against the current state of public education, not public education as a form.

More importantly, there has never existed a school that had more influence on the child than family. The only reason that the issue even exists is that parents in America have abrogated their parental duties. It is into this parenting vacuum that other ideologies step in. The author should complain why our churches and synagogues are not keeping up with the times to provide effective guidance to children and parents.

This author should read more before he starts writing.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Many people oppose home schooling because they are swayed by the argument that it hurts the 'socialization process'. This process is nothing more than peer pressure. Socialization is the reason american children are doing drugs, having pre-marital sex and becoming criminals.

"But everbody else was doing it!"

[bearsgirl90]

When It Comes To School, There's No Place Like Home!

[secretagent]

When I went to school (9th grade), an english teacher asked me what I saw as the prime purpose of government ("public") education. I said learning skills like reading, writing, and math and she said no. The prime purpose: "socialization".

[toenail]

I'm almost done cleaning up the scan of the Reece Commission report, and I might have it done by tomorrow. I'll ping you to the thread when I post it.

Most people have no idea who created and maintains our indoctrination system, and why.

[TopQuark]

I am as appalled by the current state of affairs as you are. But one has to be precise: teh process of walking is different from the goal towards which you walk; and socialization is a process, not the content. Also, American chilfren were socializing before, yet drugs etc. were not a problem. Similarly, before 1968 one could buy guns by mail but there were not school shootings. In both cases, something else is at play. In the case of culture in general, I believe the lack of parenting that is responsible for moral decay. But once again, whether or not my explanations are correct, it addresses the content, whereas the socialization is a process. Finally, socialization is precisely what develops skills of dealing with peer pressure, which one experiences throughout life.

[TopQuark]

she said no. The prime purpose: "socialization". Well, she was wrong.

[Born in a Rage]

Can you ping me too please? Thank you....:-)

[Lizavetta]

Finally, socialization is precisely what develops skills of dealing with peer pressure, which one experiences throughout life.

Big time disagreement here. Being in the middle of peer pressure doesn't help you deal with peer pressure - being removed from a non-stop force-fed diet of peer pressure during the years when you actually give a shit what your peers think and do is the best antidote. When my homeschooled kids, who by the way know about drugs and the losers who use them, leave home for college or whatever, that window of ultra vulnerability known as the teen years will be fading away and they will be YOUNG ADULTS who have bypassed - and therefore never developed an attachment to - the opinions of their same-age peers. They have spent their young lives trying to get the attention and approval of the MATURE people in their lives. That's not to say they don't have friends they like and want to be like - they do. But it's a far smaller influence than it would be were they in school. When it's time for them to fly I doubt very much that they will regress into adolescence; it will hold no attractions for them.

[f.Christian]

Creation/God...Christianity---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY...

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/ZOMBIE/BRAVE-NWO America---

[TopQuark]

When it's time for them to fly I guess this is where the gray area is: you prefer to keep the chicks under the wing longer than I.

Lizavetta: "force-fed diet of peer pressure during the years when you actually give a shit what your peers think and do is the best antidote..."

What a language, Lizavetta! I guess all us do succumb to environment a little bit.

[LiteKeeper]

Bump for read in the morning

[SuziQ]

Finally, socialization is precisely what develops skills of dealing with peer pressure, which one experiences throughout life.

There is no other time in their lives when they will be FORCED to socialize only with their peers. Schools are a very artificial atmosphere; when they leave secondary school and go to college, they will be in classes with folks of different ages and will be CHOOSING with whom they will socialize on a regular basis. It may be other students their own age, or those who are older.

When they go out into the work world, they will have to deal with people of ALL ages, and if they've already learned how to do that while being homeschooled, they they will be that much farther ahead than their 'schooled' peers.

[secretagent]

We might view her as wrong, but I immediately thought of her when you wrote:

no one refers to schooling as socialization

She thought of socialization as the prime purpose of government schooling, so "no one" seems a bit extreme to me.

[TopQuark]

so "no one" seems a bit extreme to me. True as stated. As the context shows, I meant "no one else" and stand corrected. Thank you.

[TopQuark]

With all due respect, Suzi, I cannot agree.

There is no other time in their lives when they will be FORCED to socialize only with their peers. Not true. Most universities deliberately pair very different people as roommates, precisely for that reason. If some one joins the military, he or she "will be FORCED to socialize only with" peers. When, after college, one joins the work force, one ineracts most of the time with peers. Schools are a very artificial atmosphere; So is a corporation. And the army. How about beeing bunched togetehr with a 1,000 guys on a navy ship? Do oil rigs come to mind? How about driving a truck with another person, suck in a cabin for a week --- is that natural?

when they leave secondary school and go to college, they will be in classes with folks of different ages and will be CHOOSING with whom they will socialize on a regular basis. Now you hit the nail on the head! For someone to choose, that person must know what he or she prefers. Should I prefere people who read a lot, I will choose in my environment the most well-read people; if, however, I prefer tennis players, I will choose such from my environment.

Life, however, involves several processes: learning what is available, that is the full spectrum of possibilities; deciding what you prefer among them; and, finding that which satisfies your prefernces. For instance, in chooosing a field, one answers the questions: (i) what professions do exist out there? (ii) which of these would I like to persue? (iii) in which company will I be most happy as a worker in the chosen profession?

As you can see, you have addressed only one of these. The proponents suggest, that the person first needs to go to stage one and see ALL kinds of people around him. That teaches him about the REALITY of what the world is. Observe that you do not have a different opinion about that --- in your post you did not even mention the other two stages, as if they do not exist.

[f.Christian]

Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY...

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/ZOMBIE/BRAVE-NWO Soviet-LIBERAL-Socialist America...

the post-modern age of switch-flip-spin-DEFORMITY-cancer...

Atheist secular materialists through ATHEISM/evolution CHANGED-REMOVED the foundations---demolished the wall(separation of state/religion)--trampled the TRUTH-GOD...

built a satanic temple/SWAMP-MALARIA/RELIGION(cult of darwin-marx-satan) over them---made these absolutes subordinate--relative and calling/CHANGING all the... residuals(technology/science) === TO evolution via schlock/sMUCK IDEOLOGY/lies/bias...

to substantiate/justify their efforts--claims...social engineering--PC--atheism...

anti-God/Truth RELIGION(USSC monopoly)--and declared a crusade/WAR--JIHAD--INTOLERANCE/TYRANNY(breaking the establishment clause)...

against(NEA-devilcrats--witch hunt/vetters) God--man--society/SCIENCE!!