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Girl's condition precarious (11 year old Utah girl beaten and raped)
The Deseret News ^ | 8/20/2002 | Pat Reavy

Posted on 08/20/2002 11:58:39 AM PDT by Utah Girl

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To: Utah Girl
Alarms and locks don't work unless parents use them.
21 posted on 08/20/2002 12:35:54 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Belial
Yeah, right. It's pathetic that you'd hijack a crime against a child to prop up your agenda. You're one sick puppy.

You're the sick puppy, Dude.

Islamic court upholds Nigerian stoning verdict - Woman convicted for bearing out-of-wedlock child

22 posted on 08/20/2002 12:37:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: mewzilla
Yes, that is true.
23 posted on 08/20/2002 12:37:50 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
So what is it with some of these parents? Leaving doors unlocked, alarm systems off, kids unattended. Forget pervs, these kids are at greater risk from their own parents.
24 posted on 08/20/2002 12:41:52 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Yeah, that's a good example of cruelty and injustice. But it's nothing like killing a child for being beaten and raped.

I guess you can't see the difference. Why am I not surprised?
25 posted on 08/20/2002 12:44:25 PM PDT by Belial
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To: mewzilla
The security alarms, I can see being left off, although there is a new generation of alarms out there that don't go off whenever anyone makes a move in a home. Unlocked doors though...I still blame the perverts, but parents must be on constant alert nowadays to protect their children.
26 posted on 08/20/2002 12:46:13 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
Uh... I don't recall.... I'm sorry, I don't remember. I don't know... I can't remember... I don't recall...
27 posted on 08/20/2002 12:47:50 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Belial
Yeah, that's a good example of cruelty and injustice. But it's nothing like killing a child for being beaten and raped.

I guess you can't see the difference. Why am I not surprised?

There is no difference between stoning a woman for having a baby and stoning a girl for being raped.

I guess you must be too busy panting for reparations to use that little pea brain of yours, eh?

28 posted on 08/20/2002 12:48:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Utah Girl
Although he was arrested on suspicion of rape in 1994, prosecutors declined to prosecute him and no charge was filed.

One has to wonder if that was a case where the victim refused to press charges.

29 posted on 08/20/2002 12:49:31 PM PDT by newgeezer
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To: Terriergal
That is what my mom said last night, that Hillary and her comments "I don't remember, etc" have spawned a whole new avenue for criminals to go to. Either that or they just remain silent.
30 posted on 08/20/2002 12:50:22 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Yes there is a difference. Primitive theistic cultures have often stoned women for prostitution, babies born out of wedlock. See also the story of Jesus and casting the first stone.

Perhaps if you could provide a single example of Muslims stoning a 10 year old girl for being raped, you'd have more credibility.
31 posted on 08/20/2002 12:53:03 PM PDT by Belial
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To: Utah Girl
The "Liberals" will insist this man be given a chance at "rehabilitation".
32 posted on 08/20/2002 12:55:31 PM PDT by Guillermo
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To: Belial
Perhaps if you could provide a single example of Muslims stoning a 10 year old girl for being raped, you'd have more credibility.

Sentenced to Death, Rape Victim is Freed by Pakistani Court

33 posted on 08/20/2002 12:56:07 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Utah Girl
Alcohol and alcoholism also causes blackouts, as do other drugs.

Yeah, as in the father. I can't understand any other way a man could sleep through someone entering the house twice, and a little boy scared to death running to the sister's room to hide. My money says he was passed out drunk and the little boy couldn't wake him up. Tragedy.

34 posted on 08/20/2002 12:57:42 PM PDT by DETAILER
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What's with this weirdness.." Another neighbor, Maureen Pinegar, 43, and her 15-year-old son were sleeping in their back yard just two houses away from the girl's home when they awoke to the sounds of the chase for the suspect. "

And why didn't the son go and wake up his dad? Why didn't he say " Dad, that long haired weirdo was in my room". Why did he go and sleep with his sister.

What the heck is going on in this world.

35 posted on 08/20/2002 12:59:12 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Belial
Perhaps if you could provide a single example of Muslims stoning a 10 year old girl for being raped, you'd have more credibility.

From the previous article:

The fact that Ms. Zafran was convicted of adultery as a result of being raped was not unusual in Pakistan.

36 posted on 08/20/2002 12:59:46 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
You still haven't come near to supporting your original contention. But feel free to continue on your little jihad. Go Captain Keyboard USA!
37 posted on 08/20/2002 1:13:42 PM PDT by Belial
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To: Belial
Perhaps if you could provide a single example of Muslims stoning a 10 year old girl for being raped, you'd have more credibility.

Zafrana Bibi, 28, who was once sentenced to death by stoning for adultery by a civil court, leaves the Federal Shariat court (Islamic court) in Islamabad along with her seven-month old daughter Shabnam. Pakistan's highest Islamic court on Thursday acquitted the woman of adultery for which a lower court had her sentenced to death by stoning, a court official said.

Sentenced to Death, Rape Victim is Freed by Pakistani Court

By SETH MYDANS

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, May 7 — Bowing to public outrage, a Pakistani court has freed a rape victim who was sentenced to death by stoning for the crime of having extramarital relations.

The woman, Zafran Bibi, left her jail cell on Thursday carrying the 7-month- old daughter who had been conceived when her husband was in prison and was therefore described by the judge as proof of her crime.

The case reached the court when Ms. Zafran, who is about 26, accused her brother-in-law, Jamal Khan, of raping her in the remote village in northwestern Pakistan were they lived.

No charges were brought against the brother- in-law because under the Islamic statutes in use here, called zina, rape can only be proved with the testimony of four male witnesses, a standard that is almost impossible to meet.

The fact that Ms. Zafran was convicted of adultery as a result of being raped was not unusual in Pakistan. Human rights groups say as many as half the women who report a rape are charged with breaking the laws of zina, which forbid any sexual contact outside marriage.

It was the sentence of death by stoning, which has never been carried out under the zina laws, that shocked people here.

The publicity led Pakistan's president, General Pervez Musharraf, to demand that the unusual sentence be overturned. "It has never happened and it will not happen," he said of the penalty of death by stoning.

An Islamic appeals court quickly complied, expediting the case and accepting questionable evidence to exonerate Ms. Zafran, said Rukhshanda Naz, who heads the local chapter of a women's rights organization called Aurat.

The court, in addition to the evidence it deemed damning of the illegitimate child, had taken Ms. Zafran's accusation as a confession that she had had forbidden sexual contact with a man other than her husband.

"The lady stated before this court that, yes, she had committed sexual intercourse, but with the brother of her husband," said the judge who convicted her, Anwar Ali Khan. "This left no option to the court but to impose the highest penalty."

At the appeal Ms. Zafran's husband, Naimat Khan, who has since been released from prison, claimed that the child was his, apparently to protect his family's honor. He said the child had been conceived during a conjugal visit, although such visits are not permitted.

Ms. Zafran obediently dropped her accusation of rape and supported her husband.

It was the second time she had allowed a family member to misrepresent her case. After she first accused her brother-in-law of rape a year ago, her father- in-law reported to the police that the baby was the child of another man with whom he had a personal feud. A local lawyer said the father-in-law received a payoff not to pursue the accusation of zina.

"The lesson from all this is that the woman is the weakest sector in the country," said Tariq Altaf, a human rights lawyer in Kohat, where Ms. Zafran was imprisoned for more than a year.

"She has been acquitted, but that is not real justice," he said. "Real justice would be punishment of her brother-in-law, who raped her."

Ms. Zafran's troubles are not over with her release from prison, Ms. Naz said.

She is now in danger of being killed either by family members who feel she has dishonored them or by other villagers who believe she would set a bad example of sexual license. At the urging of the villagers, Ms. Naz said, she will try to relocate Ms. Zafran, along with her husband, her two sons and her new daughter, Shabnam, in the nearby city of Peshawar.

"She's in physical danger," she said.

Ms. Naz said that she was now looking for a way to house and support the family but that such a move would be difficult. Both are illiterate rural people without skills apart from subsistence farming.

38 posted on 08/20/2002 1:18:59 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Belial
You still haven't come near to supporting your original contention.

So you continue your assertion that Islamists who would stone a grown woman for being raped would never stone a 10-year old child for being raped?

And you are concerned about MY crediblity?

39 posted on 08/20/2002 1:23:31 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
How about this one? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/735898/posts
40 posted on 08/20/2002 1:38:23 PM PDT by Aggie Mama
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