What Is Citizenship, How Do You Get It, What Does It Entitle You To?

Toogood Reports ^ | August 20, 2002 | Philip Safran

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

Unfortunately, this rational argument has already been lost. I applaud the courage of the author to suggest only those who own property should vote on matters affecting property taxes. At the birth of this nation, only those who owned property could vote. Period. The curse of universal suffrage and majority rule is the people without property can vote themselves the property of others. That is exactly what they have done.

[TheEngineer]

Bump! Totally agree. The right to vote would then be another reward waiting for people if they improve their lot in life. The way it is now, the "net takers" can just vote for "wealth redistribution". If our court system had any cajones, then they would be protecting the right to ownership of income, property, estates handed down after death, etc. Instead, they spend their energy on helping the vote process for a bunch of retards who cannot even read simple instructions on a punch-card ballot.

[weikel]

One of the tenets of democracy is that all people are equal.

Okay thats one flaw of the mob rule system.

[weikel]

Bump great article.

[madfly]

Citizenship ping!

[A2J]

Citizenship is awarded to any person born in the United States.

This is one of the major problems with our citizenship laws.

I believe that the child's citizenship should be tied to the citizenship of the father. If an American woman gave birth to Bin Laden's child, the child would NOT be considered an American. If the identity of the father is uncertain, then the child is denied citizenship.

I believe this would help to limit the masses of Mexican babies receiving U.S. citizenship now and stop the "Babies R U.S." mentality that our citizenship laws have fostered.

[A2J]

I applaud the courage of the author to suggest only those who own property should vote on matters affecting property taxes.

And what about those from other countries who own vast amounts of land in the U.S.?

Do we really want them voting?

[Askel5]

Great post.

I think most of the folks to whom we attribute all of our best soundbites on "democracy" would be appalled and horrified by the grotesque twisting of the word to enable what appears to be an increasingly amoral tyranny of the masses for the purposes of certain Interested Parties and stakeholders.

[Askel5]

Thanks for (all) the flag(s), madfly.

[RISU]

IMMIGRATION POLICY

US IMMIGRATION SHOULD BE LIMITED TO "INDIVIDUALS" ONLY. THE BUSINESS OF ALLOWING WHOLE FAMILIES TO MIGRATE TO THE USA IS DESTROYING OUR NATION AND OUR CULTURE. HOW CAN WE PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF THE REVOLUTION, CIVIL WAR, ETC. WHEN THOSE WHO MAKE UP AN INCREASINGLY ACTIVE MINORITY COME IN WITH NO KNOWLEDGE OF THESE EVENTS OR DESIRE TO LEARN THEM. IMMIGRANTS TODAY ARE NOT COMING TO AMERICA FOR A "NEW CHANCE" THEY ARE COMING TO AMERICA TO "GLOM ONTO" THE GOODIES. PLEASE INTRODUCE A BILL TO LIMIT IMMIGRATION ON A "CASE BY CASE" BASIS TO "INDIVIDUALS, WITHOUT ANY RIGHTS TO "IMPORT THE FOLKS"

[flamefront]

Citizenship
OATH OF ALLEGIANCE

  I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovreignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;  

that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;  

that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;  

that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law;  

that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law;  

that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by law;  

and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion;

so help me God.

[Goetz_von_Berlichingen]

I was just thinking that the word "democracy" has been one of the earliest victims of politically correct re-definition. The "demos" was not every living, breathing hominid in Athens. Franchise was strictly limited. Slaves, for example, are not part of the demos. (Go figure, the ownership of slaves in the first democracy!)

The franchise, once expanded, may never ever voluntarily contract, because that assumes that the majority of looters would actually be willing to sacrifice their legal mandate to loot. A system reaches a certain point of corruption where reform is literally impossible. Change can only be effected through revolution or conquest.

[weikel]

A system reaches a certain point of corruption where reform is literally impossible.

I think we are at that point.

[skeeter]

In all cases these are uncomfortable questions. In a politically correct world they are not even asked in polite company. However, they are going to have to be faced. Otherwise many citizens may find their nations as they know it lost, without ever having been consulted in the process.

Anyone expecting to have a say in how their country is transformed better have some THICK skin if their opinion deviates from the accepted plan. The "four legs good" crowd will be after 'em with a vengence.

[Twodees]

Are citizenship, and voting rights natural rights that come down from heaven to every person born in the United States?

No, they are not. Voting is a privilege of citizenship, not a right, and awarding citizenship is the province of the states, the fraudulently enacted 14th and 15th amendments notwithstanding. The author avoids addressing the obvious fact that the 14th amendment stands the relationships between the states and federal government and between the people and both of those levels of government on its head as it existed prior to republican meddling with the design of our form of government. He also fails to observe that the declaration of voting as a right makes it impossible for states to enforce laws designed to stop vote fraud.

He had a good idea but failed to explore it.

[Twodees]

Unfortunately, this rational argument has already been lost. I applaud the courage of the author to suggest only those who own property should vote on matters affecting property taxes. At the birth of this nation, only those who owned property could vote. Period. The curse of universal suffrage and majority rule is the people without property can vote themselves the property of others. That is exactly what they have done.

Good observations. The rule that only property owners were be allowed to vote was based on the obvious fact that only those who pay taxes should have the privilege of voting for officers whose authority is such that they can levy taxes and spend the revenues gained for the state. Taxpayers were landowners in those early days before so many kinds of taxes were created.

That idea is still very valid; only those who pay taxes should have the privilege of voting for those who levy and spend tax revenues. Welfare recipients should not be allowed to become a bloc of voters.

The 14th through 17th amendments should all be rescinded in order to restore our republican form of government to its original design. The kind of government we have now, thanks to those four amendments, is that of a legislative democracy. That is not the form of government laid out in the original articles of the Constitution.

[Frohickey]

I believe that the child's citizenship should be tied to the citizenship of the father. If an American woman gave birth to Bin Laden's child, the child would NOT be considered an American. If the identity of the father is uncertain, then the child is denied citizenship.

Until the child turns 18, at which time the adult can apply and take the oath of citizenship. One of the requirements of citizenship would be 10 years of uninterrupted continuous residency within the United States.

[Bill Davis FR]

The curse of universal suffrage and majority rule is the people without property can vote themselves the property of others. That is exactly what they have done.

thats exactly what has happened... .