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Sharpton Nurses Fantasy Of Debating George Bush
The New York Sun ^ | 8/19/02 | BENJAMIN SMITH

Posted on 08/19/2002 10:34:44 AM PDT by kattracks

Left Field Is Wide Open, He Asserts

Reverend Al Sharpton, press hound and scourge of police brutality, race warrior and civil rights leader, is thinking of running for president. Seriously.

So how seriously should Democrats be taking him?

Well, the controversial preacher is aiming high: “At best, the goal is to win,” he said in an interview last week. “At worst it is to set a whole new climate in politics.” He aims to “move the Democratic Party away from its pro-business leanings.”

He’s also been daydreaming: “My fantasy for the past year has been to debate George Bush,” he said.

The 47-year old Rev. Sharpton, who has never held elective office, says he wants to reverse the Democratic Party’s decade-long shift toward the center and replace New Democrats with old. He is also trying to establish himself as a major figure in the national Democratic Party. At the moment, there is a tendency to dismiss Rev. Sharpton and his sometimes antic, sometimes influential, public presence. But some prominent Democrats are quietly beginning to see him as a player — maybe a kingmaker, maybe a spoiler — in 2004.

“It is a mistake to pooh-pooh Al Sharpton,” said a Democratic political consultant in New York, Hank Sheinkopf. “Our stake as Democrats is very significant. If he is handled poorly, if people belittle him, it could go very badly for the party.”

It is, of course, early to draw conclusions about 2004.

Vice President Gore, among Democrats the leader in opinion polls, has not yet declared a candidacy. The other candidates remain largely out of the public eye. A Zogby poll this summer showed 41% of likely voters would vote for Mr. Gore, while other contenders, like Senator Lieberman, Rep. Gephardt, and Senator Daschle languished with Rev. Sharpton in the single digits, within the poll’s 5% margin for error.

So Al Sharpton is, for the moment, doing the things presidential candidates do.

He’s formed an exploratory committee. It includes the former Bronx Democratic Party leader, Roberto Ramirez; a deputy mayor from the Dinkins administration, Bill Lynch; a Princeton professor, Cornel West, and a public relations man who advises actor Leonardo DiCaprio and labor leader Dennis Rivera, Ken Sunshine.

He is also staking out positions on issues of national and international policy. Most of them are on the traditional, liberal end of the Democratic Party — opposition to the death penalty, no tax cuts for the wealthy, and a multilateralist approach to foreign policy for example — but others are surprises, like his support for prayer in schools.

“The reality is that there is no real left-of-center candidate ,” he said over dinner at a restaurant on the Upper West Side. Mr. Sharpton, who lost 30 pounds on a hunger strike over the Navy’s bombing on a Puerto Rican island, Vieques, is keen to keep the weight off, and he had only a cup of coffee. “I’m the clear candidate that’s anti-death penalty, anti-gun, and pro-health care as a right.”

With an African-American base and a traditional populist message, Rev. Sharpton is not stepping on untried ground.

“The model is the Jesse Jackson races of 1984 and 1988,” Mr. Ramirez told The New York Sun. Rev. Jackson surprised many by winning two primaries in 1984 and then, in 1988, jumping out to an early lead after taking 55% of the votes in the Michigan caucus.

Rev. Jackson — Rev. Sharpton’s mentor and rival — used his presidential runs to push the Democrats to the left and to establish himself as a power broker. But for Rev. Sharpton, there’s also a model closer to home: “We want to build a progressive coalition — what we built around Freddy,” he said, referring to Fernando Ferrer’s near-miss campaign for last year’s Democratic mayoral nomination.

He’s been working hard to build that black-Hispanic coalition, the elusive holy grail of the New York left. His visible stance on Vieques, Mr. Ramirez argues, bought him lasting popularity among Hispanics.

But the comparison to the 2001 mayor’s race is the kind of thing that makes other Democrats nervous: the Ferrer campaign ended in racially tinged recriminations, and left Michael Bloomberg to triumph over a divided Democratic Party in November.

While few outside Rev. Sharpton’s inner circle suggest that he could take the nomination, he has the potential to take votes, delegates, and even states away from other candidates. Some see a Sharpton candidacy as a blow to Mr. Gore, who ran in 2000 with the populist “people versus the powerful” theme.

“Sharpton has the potential to divide that vote for Gore and diminish Gore’s influence,” said a political analyst at the Hudson Institute, Marshall Wittmann.

But it is hard to predict his impact. “He’ll take votes, particularly in the south, from John Edwards,” Mr. Lynch, now an informal adviser to Rev. Sharpton, predicted.

Certainly, Rev. Sharpton can be a divisive figure. He referred to “diamond merchants” after the Crown Heights riots in 1991 and called a merchant a “white interloper” weeks before a deadly attack on the merchant’s store in 1995.

“He is not an anti-Semite, but he has dabbled in anti-Semitism,” said Abraham Foxman, the president of the Anti-Defamation League, which monitors anti-Semitism. “He has not rejected it, and he has not apologized for it.”

Mr. Sharpton denies ever stirring up violence, and apologized for the “white interloper” remark. What’s more, the preacher, whose permed hair is now gray at the roots, says he’s mellowed. He’s been preaching since he was a child, but the last decade has seen him tone down his rhetoric, and pick issues like racial profiling that have entered the national mainstream.

“I was far more controversial in 1992 than in 2002 — even to me,” he said.

Rev. Sharpton first ran for national office in 1992, picking 21% of the Democratic primary vote against the incumbent, Senator Moynihan. In 1997, he took 32% of the vote in the Democratic mayoral primary, coming within 700 votes of forcing Ruth Messinger into a run-off.

In each of those races, he had more than 130,000 votes. And while he is often seen as a candidate most appealing to poor African-Americans, he has done as well in Queens — base of the city’s black middle class — as elsewhere, picking up a third of the vote in the Democratic primary there in 1997.

“Sharpton is not just a figure for poor people – he has become a clarion for middle-class people who have significant distaste for what government may or may not do, particularly on the police issue,” Mr. Sheinkopf said.

Rev. Sharpton converted his electoral success in New York into a role as kingmaker in the Democratic Party, a man whom candidates ignore at their peril.

But can Rev. Sharpton do nationally what he has done locally? Cable television and the black press have made him among the most visible African-Americans in the country. But it is unclear whether he can appeal to voters in states like South Carolina, in whose caucus Rev. Jackson placed first in 1984, and Indiana, where Rev. Jackson won delegates from one largely black congressional district in 1984 and 1988.

The answer, Rev. Sharpton says, is encouraging. He’s been traveling around the country testing the waters. He visits places like Indianapolis, Ind., where a congregants at a packed church shouted, “Run, Al, run,” according to one likely Sharpton supporter who was there, an African-American state legislator named William Crawford.

Mr. Crawford was a Jesse Jackson delegate to the Democratic National Convention in 1984 and 1988, and he said he’s feeling the same old excitement.

“People here know who Reverend Sharpton is, and generally there is a favorable perception of what he does,” he said.

“I expressed publicly that whatever he decides to do, I would be with him,” he said. “I think my constituents will go with Sharpton too.”

Other Democrats around the country are more skeptical.

“Ohio’s a pretty middle of the road state and from what I’ve seen of Al Sharpton is that he’s not such a middle of the road guy,” said the communications director of the Ohio State Democratic Party, Lauren Worley.

One key state will be South Carolina, Jesse Jackson’s home and a projected battleground in 2004. John Scott Jr., an African-American state legislator who is active in the centrist Democratic Leadership Council — which snubbed Rev. Sharpton at its recent convention in New York — said he thought Rev. Sharpton would be a serious candidate.

“I’m not sure how Al would fare,” he said. “Everybody knows who Al Sharpton is, and he’s popular; but I think he’s going to have to go beyond popularity.”

“This is going to be a strange election cycle,” he said.





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1 posted on 08/19/2002 10:34:45 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Among the Rev.'s other fantasies -- declaring himself King of the Swaziland or failing that, someday fitting into a size 32 wait pair of pants.
2 posted on 08/19/2002 10:36:16 AM PDT by mgc1122
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3 posted on 08/19/2002 10:39:44 AM PDT by mhking
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To: kattracks
Revrum Sharphead wouldn't last a minute in a debate where yelling at your opponent couldn't be used as a tactic.

Then again, if he lucked up and got Tom Brokaw or Peter Jennings as the moderator...

4 posted on 08/19/2002 10:41:10 AM PDT by mhking
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To: kattracks
Oh please Al, please come bring it on!

I'd go out and buy a TIVO just to record this "debate."

ROTFLMAO!!!

5 posted on 08/19/2002 10:41:13 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: kattracks
LOL!

Go Al Go!

Just remember, this isn't just another fat-ass pimp you want to shuck and jive with here... This is the President of the United States you want to debate...

On debate night you will be required to check your pearl-handled, nickel-plated .32 and switchblade at the door.

6 posted on 08/19/2002 10:43:18 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: mhking
What's Al, about a c-cup?



7 posted on 08/19/2002 10:45:47 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: kattracks
“It is a mistake to pooh-pooh Al Sharpton”

Is that a reference to Shapton's Twana Brawley case where she claimed some white boys 'poo-poo'ed' her?

8 posted on 08/19/2002 10:46:11 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: kattracks
Oh God, Oh God, Oh God, Oh God, Oh God, Oh God, let this be true! This is the Democrats' worst nightmare come true! A Ralph Nader for the 21st Century!

Al will drag the Democrats so far to the left in the primaries they will have to do something really dramatic in order to either pull him and his illiterate voters back under the Democratic banner, or they will have to destroy him politically and face having him play the race card against them (and I do so love watching the Democrats eat one of their own).

Any concessions that the Annointed Nominee would have to make to Rev. Al would be like open sores for somebody aspiring to become leader of all the people... Al Sharpton's candidacy is pure manna from heaven for the Republicans.

9 posted on 08/19/2002 11:06:51 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: kattracks
“My fantasy for the past year has been to debate George Bush,” he said.

Ok, here's my fantasy - to see Al debate sinator hillary! and algore in the democrat primaries.

Bring on the popcorn!

10 posted on 08/19/2002 11:15:30 AM PDT by mombonn
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Is that a reference to Shapton's Twana Brawley case where she claimed some white boys 'poo-poo'ed' her?

Ah yes, Twana Brawley, the girl that stayed out late and created a whole fraud to get out of trouble. IIRC, Bill Cosby even volunteered money to the cause, only to find out that Tawana lied like crazy. And that hoax was what brought Sharpton to national attention as he championed her lies.

Damn, I am tired of these lying hucksters. The worst I've ever seen is Billy Bubba Clinton. Liars, not a word of truth in them, just after power and MONEY.

11 posted on 08/19/2002 11:16:44 AM PDT by xJones
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To: kattracks
I'm sorry, but I cannot get past the expression "Sharpton nurses [anything]"... it brings images to mind that are too unspeakably vile to bear. Please refrain from this pairing of words in the titles of any threads you post in the future, or indeed, hopefully anything that is said or thought for the rest of human existence. Thank you.
12 posted on 08/19/2002 11:31:56 AM PDT by Sloth
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To: xJones
I'm enthused with Al for the Democritter nomination. This should smoke the other Al and Hillary out. The choice will not be easy for the Dums in the primary between these three sterling characters.
13 posted on 08/19/2002 11:32:34 AM PDT by meenie
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To: meenie
I'm enthused with Al for the Democritter nomination. This should smoke the other Al and Hillary out.

That is a positive thought. A ray of sunshine. Picture it now: Al Sharpton, Al Gore and Hillary debating each other. WWF could never hope to equal it. Gore would go down first, and if we're placing bets, I'd go for Hillary doing something we can't mention here to Sharpton. :D

14 posted on 08/19/2002 12:28:20 PM PDT by xJones
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To: kattracks
Sharpton Nurses Fantasy Of Debating George Bush

How could any of Sharpton's nurses get enough time off from their duties at the mental ward to prepare for something like that?

15 posted on 08/19/2002 12:36:43 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: kattracks
So Al Sharpton is, for the moment, doing the things presidential candidates do.

So he’s formed an exploratory committee. It includes the former Bronx Democratic Party leader, Roberto Ramirez; a deputy mayor from the Dinkins administration, Bill Lynch; a Princeton professor, Cornel West, and a public relations man who advises actor Leonardo DiCaprio and labor leader Dennis Rivera, Ken Sunshine.

Uh, Al, Exploratory Committee exploring what? Need that many people to locate the truth? Having problems tying your shoes? Navel lint causing nasty rashes again? Oh, wait, Oh, no, Oh, no, HE'S CROSSING THE BRIDGE!!! He's coming to Jersey!

17 posted on 08/19/2002 12:44:14 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: Momaw Nadon
But, I "AX you", when will this take place??? Can't wait...
18 posted on 08/19/2002 1:54:04 PM PDT by Terridan
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To: kattracks
“My fantasy for the past year has been to debate George Bush,” he said

Reminds me of that old joke:
GWB: I'd enter a battle of with with you, Al, but I don't
believe is fighting an unarmed man.
19 posted on 08/19/2002 2:13:58 PM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: kattracks
He's an utter fool. Virtually every other comment out of his mouth is an offense to the white community; under these circumstances, how does he expect people to vote for him?

The first African American President of the United States, with God's grace, will be Condi Rice.

Regards, Ivan

20 posted on 08/19/2002 2:21:23 PM PDT by MadIvan
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