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Bush Administration Plan to Invade Iraq Dubious at Best
The American Partisan ^ | August 16, 2002 | David T. Pyne

Posted on 08/16/2002 12:37:18 PM PDT by rightwing2

Bush Administration Plan to Invade Iraq Dubious at Best
First of Three Parts
by David T. Pyne


August 16, 2002

Recent news reports indicate that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, in an unprecedented move, has locked out the Joint Chiefs of Staff from further planning for the planned US invasion of Iraq. This action was reportedly taken due to recent leaks by some of our highest-ranking general officers of US war plans, who remain wary of fighting another war against Iraq this time without provocation or justification. While our top generals are not convinced that war with Iraq is a prudent course of action, those of our top policymakers who have never fought in a war are leading the charge to invade Iraq. The only combat veteran among them, Secretary of State Colin Powell has been wisely urging that caution be exercised by the President in getting the US into another war with Iraq and informing the President of all of the undesirable consequences that would likely result from such an unprovoked unilateral US invasion of Iraq.

According to polls, two thirds of the American people would support another US invasion of Iraq. Too many Americans dismiss the Iraqi military machine after the seemingly easy victory of 1991 during Operation Desert Storm achieved at the cost of only a few hundred US soldiers killed in action. Over the past few months, the news reports have been blaring with headlines announcing the Administration's secret plans to invade Iraq. Such planning has ranged from a full-scale 250,000 man invasion which would come closest to ensuring victory though at a potentially high cost in casualties during the war and ensuing occupation to one which would involve as few as 50,000 airborne and special operations troops. This contingency plan is based on the likely erroneous presumption that effective organized and well-armed opposition to Saddam exists and would take action if only the US 82nd Airborne Division were only to appear outside Baghdad to support it.

This last plan would likely result in total disaster for the US forces participating in it. The reason is that even after the destruction wrought upon it by the US armed forces during Operation Desert Storm, Iraq retains a large Army consisting of 424,000 men in 23 divisions including 2200 main-battle tanks, 3700 other assorted armored vehicles, 2400 major artillery weapons and up to 300 operational combat aircraft. It also has another 120,000 men in its internal security forces, which could be expected to defend Saddam from capture. After recent upgrades with help from the Communist China, North Korea and Yugoslavia, Iraq now boasts one of the best air defense systems in the world according to national security experts.

If anyone seriously believes that the nearly 550,000 defenders of Iraq are going to give up the fight at the sight of a mere 20,000 US light infantry troops landing near Baghdad, they are in for a big surprise. While the first US-Iraqi war did prove that much of the Iraqi military lacks the will to fight, it also proved that the tens of thousands of well-trained and well-equipped Republican Guard troops would likely to mount an effective and determined resistance to a US invasion. These Iraqi forces would outnumber US invading troops by over eight to one and could conceivably surround and capture large numbers of US troops before they could safely be extricated and before US reinforcements could be sent in to save them. In short, if the US were to commit the 82nd Airborne to the capture of Baghdad unassisted by heavier armor and artillery formations, it would undoubtedly result in the highest number of combat casualties since the Vietnam War.

Top policymakers in the Administration appear to have forgotten the lesson of Desert Storm which is that large numbers of troops with heavy tanks win wars in their desire to repeat the successes of Afghanistan in which 50,000 US Special Forces troops were able to beat a ragtag and poorly equipped Army of 47,000 Taleban and assorted Al Queda irregulars. A word of warning-Iraq is no Afghanistan. It would take at least 200,000 well supported and well-equipped US ground troops with plenty of tanks and tracked armored vehicles to win another war against Iraq. Anthony H. Cordesman, a former Pentagon official, now a senior fellow and Iraq expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies cautioned, "I think it is incredibly dangerous to be dismissive" of the Iraqi military. "To be careless about this war, to me, would be a disaster."

The grand coalition which former President George HW Bush organized to challenge the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait has long since been broken thanks to the polarization of the Arab world with the US-led war on terror and the Israeli war against Palestinian terror. If the US were to invade Iraq, it would likely do so virtually alone without any coalition allies. Even America's closest ally, the UK has voiced opposition to the US plan to invade Iraq. Only Israel would support such a war even though Israeli intelligence publicized the fact that Iraq has no discernable connections to the 9-11 terrorists. However, any Israeli military intervention against Iraq would further anger the entire Arab world against the US and possibly even risk an enlargement of the conflict.

It seems that the Bush Administration has failed to learn from the mistakes of the past and will embark on a course of regime change with the intention to kill or capture Saddam Hussein, which will ensure a no holds bar conflict that is most likely to maximize casualties on both sides. It would be far wiser to come to an accommodation with Saddam whereby he steps down in favor of another more acceptable successor and agrees to go into exile with immunity from prosecution. That would maximize the prospect for another victory at low cost in blood and treasure and might well eliminate the perceived "need" for the US to invade Iraq in the first place. It was recently reported that Hussein was considering formally stepping down from power in a bid to end UN sanctions on his country so such a development is not out of the question. It would be more sensible for the US to restrain itself to fighting one war at a time. An invasion of Iraq would not be prudent before the war in Afghanistan is finished. The Iraq warhawks in the Bush Administration would do well to consider why they have been unable to persuade any of their allies to support their planned unprovoked aggressive war against Iraq. ***

Next up: Part 2--Would another invasion of Iraq be justified?

© 2002 David T. Pyne


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: bush; iraq; war
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To: rightwing2
...the weighty issues of war are too important to leave to civilians who are at present excluding our highest ranking generals--the Joint Chiefs of Staff--from planning for the coming war on Iraq because they oppose it as militarily and perhaps ethically unwise and imprudent.

Way back when I was in the military we sorta thought it was subject to civilian control. Guess that was just right wing BS they pounded into me at the Air Force Academy.

81 posted on 08/16/2002 3:33:40 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: Dr. Frank
I'd tend to agree that it's premature to start critiquing the 'plan' before it's actually appeared.

I'd also suggest though, that there are a number of other seriously worrying scenarios that we might consider.

All this Iraq fuss is a trifle premature when Iraq is really just one threat among many, and not everybody thinks it's at the top of the list. Here's a quick list of sample risks.

WMD from the Soviet Union or the satellites sold to A-Q

Pakistan goes fundamentalist, gives nukes or etc to A-Q

Pakistan goes fundamentalist, India attacks, nukes used

Pakistan goes fundamentalist, supports Afghans in anti-US actions, provides safe havens and professional support to irregulars operating out of the tribal territories ...

Saudi goes fundamentalist, oil crisis and global recession

China waits until US invades Iraq, then attacks Taiwan

Iraq waits until US engaged in Baghdad, nukes Israel

Iraq actually does have WMD and gives them to terrorists

Anthrax attack on EU city happens, this time it's a pro job

Israel decides it needs to nuke one or more of its neighbours

Those are just ones I've heard mentioned recently as matters of concern by people who also accept that Saddam is a genuine menace and are prepared to at least seriously consider supporting action to remove him.

Anyhow, what about a quick straw poll? I don't claim originality for the scenarios above, I picked some up from this very thread. The questions I would like to answer are: given that we hear that the White House has no plan on Iraq yet, what should their priorities be in your opinion?
82 posted on 08/16/2002 3:34:50 PM PDT by bernie_g
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To: rightwing2
Personally, I am tired of all the "we need proof, we need provocation" talk.
Does funding and actively supporting the 1993 WTC attack count as provocation?
Or perhaps the known meetings between Atta and Iraqi intelligence officials is provocation?
Or perhaps some of you may actually consider standing in defiance of the weapons inspections provocation?
Consider the folly of demanding that we be FURTHER provoked: if we take that stand as a national policy we are doing several things:
First we would be daring Saddam to attack us,
Second, we would be telling Saddam in very plain words that as long as he can keep one or two degrees of seperation between himself and those whom he sends to do his dirty work that he and his oil empire are safe.
I would also like to make the point that when we do finally move on Iraq that our Commander in Chief will announce the beginning of the offensive (shortly after it begins as is the norm) and that he will lay out his rational in clear and concise terms. Let me assure you that his reasoning will be clear and that it will not be flippant or thin.
I applaud the Secretary for taking a stance that is long overdue. The Pentagon is no place for political games. In my not-quite-so-humble opinion the members of the DoD and DoS who have been leeking information in a clear effort to derail strategic and tactical planning are nothing short of cowards and traitors. Hang 'Em All.
83 posted on 08/16/2002 3:35:45 PM PDT by BlueNgold
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To: rdb3
Anti-war types disgust me to no end. What makes you different than those on the Left, newbie?

Kind of hart for me to be an anti-war type when I served my country in the army for four years and supported the war in Afghanistan.

By the way, look traitor up in the dictionary yet? Read the First Amendment yet?

84 posted on 08/16/2002 3:40:12 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: rightwing2
...who are too cowardly to serve their country, wear the proud uniform of the US Army and fight for their country.

Physician, heal thyself. A quick glance at my home page proves otherwise.

85 posted on 08/16/2002 3:40:26 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: ProudAmerican2
By the way, look traitor up in the dictionary yet? Read the First Amendment yet?

Forward and backwards. I've already given you your evidence, but none are so blind as those who refuse to see.

86 posted on 08/16/2002 3:41:35 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Forward and backwards. I've already given you your evidence, but none are so blind as those who refuse to see.

I saw your evidence. I read a lot of "if" and "probably" in the testimony. Not very convincing given the question has changed from "Should UN weapons inspectors have access" to "should the United States invade Iraq"? No one was asking Ritter that question in 1998.

87 posted on 08/16/2002 3:45:05 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: ProudAmerican2; Jack-A-Roe; Biker Scum
I saw your evidence. I read a lot of "if" and "probably" in the testimony. Not very convincing given the question has changed from "Should UN weapons inspectors have access" to "should the United States invade Iraq"? No one was asking Ritter that question in 1998.

Read it, rephrased the question, still say that you rely upon the words of this man that have mysteriously changed, and now you're walking between the raindrops.

Poof! Be gone.

89 posted on 08/16/2002 3:49:43 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rightwing2
Check out this article: Iraq: In all but name, the war's on
90 posted on 08/16/2002 3:52:47 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: rdb3
Poof! Be gone.

Not your call.

91 posted on 08/16/2002 3:53:07 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: ProudAmerican2
Scott Ritter made a documentary about Iraq after resigning as an inspector. Guess who financed $400,000.00 of it? Yep, an Iraqi who wanted Ritters help in removing sanctions on Iraq. Guess that explains the about face in his postion on Iraq. Ritter is a traitor. End of discussion.

here is a link to the truth:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/iraq1/000731.htm
93 posted on 08/16/2002 3:54:27 PM PDT by KainIV
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To: rightwing2
I agree with much of what you say:
Yes, implementing the Powell doctrine of overwhelming force is the safest known way. And yes, never underestimate your enemy even though you may have clear evidence to the contrary, assuming gets you killed. A good General and on down the ranks will always fight to have the most and the best he can field. It would be absolute stupidity otherwise.

But I think you are against Bush's policy against pre-emptive strikes against an nations that would cause our nation harm. As President, his highest duty is to protect our national security and defent the Constitution. In an era of Chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, I do not think we have the luxury to wait for an attack on our shore. We do not need absolute proof to attack evil governments who scheme to do us harm. A propensity of evidence will suffice. Waiting for Americans to die at home and knowingly you could have prevented it, is not acceptable. I am sure the Bush Administration and the Pentagon Brass will come to an agreement.

94 posted on 08/16/2002 3:54:35 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: ProudAmerican2
That wasn't for you. It was for me.

In my mind, "Poof! So-called "ProudAmerican2" is gone."

95 posted on 08/16/2002 3:56:59 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: KainIV
Scott Ritter made a documentary about Iraq after resigning as an inspector. Guess who financed $400,000.00 of it? Yep, an Iraqi who wanted Ritters help in removing sanctions on Iraq. Guess that explains the about face in his postion on Iraq. Ritter is a traitor. End of discussion.

$400,000 to film a documentary does not leave much money for Ritter. Try again...

You need to look traitor up in the dictionary.

96 posted on 08/16/2002 3:58:07 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: rdb3
In my mind, "Poof! So-called "ProudAmerican2" is gone."

Making things disappear from your mind shouldn't be too tough of a task.

97 posted on 08/16/2002 3:59:12 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: ProudAmerican2
Read the link
98 posted on 08/16/2002 3:59:36 PM PDT by KainIV
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To: ProudAmerican2
Maybe sellout is a better term? or political mercenary? or
belief prostitute?
99 posted on 08/16/2002 4:03:46 PM PDT by KainIV
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To: ProudAmerican2
Things like you? Very easy. Requires absolutely no effort at all to make you just "disappear."
100 posted on 08/16/2002 4:04:41 PM PDT by rdb3
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