Top Republicans Break With Bush on Iraq Strategy

The New York Times ^ | 08/16/2002 | TODD S. PURDUM and PATRICK E. TYLER

[Texasforever]

China is still a developing country.

Yes and it has been "developing" for thousands of years. When, in your opinion, will it get "developed"?

[bonfire]

I second that.

[AIG]

Chinese pay for it. If you ever visit China, you'll see Internet cafes on every street corner.

[maui_hawaii]

All those panda huggers in the Bush Admin, you know, the likes of Rumsfeld and Pillsbury, told China 'come across the Strait and we're gonna nuke your ass'... I don't think they were kidding either...

They also held major war games, within distance of China's own war games...

They also shoved China's demand for $1m bucks back down China's throat.

I am a panda hugger too! Hallelujiah for the panda huggers....

[AdA$tra]

Jonefab ROCKS!

[Skwidd]

Look at how much better the Germans, Japanese and Italians are since we whipped them. It took, and lasted, too.

True, but we're still over there. How much has it cost us to coddle this pack of fools and protect them from our/their enemies over the decades?

Can we really afford to keep supporting this? At what point will they have to look out after themselves? Will they be able to do it when that time comes?

[Diddle E. Squat]

Do you have a link to Schwartzkopf coming out against attacking Iraq, cause I can't find any article on that in the search engine.

[AIG]

The next few decades. By 2020, China's GDP adjusted for purchasing-power parity will be bigger than America's. Then China has the rest of the century to pull ahead. I don't doubt that Western civilization has been the leader in bringing about modern society. But over time, this gets diffused inevitably to other cultures. Romans benefitted from Greeks, Europeans benefitted from Romans, Americans benefitted from Europeans, Japanese benefitted from Americans, and now Chinese benefit from everybody and have the population size to sustain a big enough economy to pull ahead.

[AIG]

Schwartzkopf was on Christ Matthews' Hardball tonite.

[Texasforever]

you'll see Internet cafes on every street corner.

I see. what percentage own their own computers and access from their homes? Yes I have visited China in the 70’s when 12 Ammonia plants were built and we went to the jobsites on trains with windows blacked out. Then China defaulted on their loans and got 6 of the 12 plants for nothing. I guess it was still "developing".

[maui_hawaii]

I watched the entire proceedings from start to finish. I know what was said.

If he's a panda hugger, I am a panda hugger too.

The need for Chinese linguists says nothing. Anyone who really speaks Chinese tends to get over the propaganda. People need to see the real China and hence will know Beijing is full of arrogant dictators who need to be put in their place.

[AIG]

Pillsbury said what he said. Perhaps, when he said it, you were taking a restroom break.

[AIG]

Everyone pays for it, and most of China's housing today is privatized. You really ought to visit China again because it really has changed since 3 decades ago.

[maui_hawaii]

I celebrate the British kicking China's ass from Hong Kong to Beijing. China deserved every bit of it.

[mercy]

Yew lissen ta yer daddy George. Nobody ... I mean NOBODY knows more bout snatchin defeat from the jaws of victory then he does!

[Torie]

I don't think so, but in any event child labor laws were enacted in the US long before then in various states.

[AIG]

Britain's not kicking anyone's ass these days.

[maui_hawaii]

Pillsbury said, "for some reason they think of me as being part of the red team...I have no idea where they came up with that idea. I have no idea why."

He was describing Chinese analysis of US officials and how they categorized everyone into red and blue teams. It was in no way a self description.

[AIG]

NPR had a story about the history of America's child labor laws a few months ago. Trust me, America's first child labor laws were enacted around 1946, around the time Roosevelt was enacting all sorts of new labor and other big-government programs.

[FreeReign]

I suspect the only thing these Saudi royals are fanatic about is -- MONEY

That is very naive. They have had the money for a long time, so it is easy to take money for granted. The really important issues are religious purity and Muslim credibility (i.e., relevance). Bin Laden is their man.

Your post contains no great wisdom. For years the Saudi royals have been allies to the west. Their primary interest has been money and power. Any wavering we see now is most likely innitiated by pressure from the Wahabi fanatics. You remove this fanatical pressure and the Saudi royals will continue to be allies.

BTW, OBL advocated the overthrowing of the Saudi royals and was exiled from S.A. Your judgement says that this was a royal ruse. My judgement tells me that both the fundamentalists and the global leftest media want the Saudi Royals removed.