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Mumps and the MMR vaccine
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Posted on 08/14/2002 1:42:48 PM PDT by krodriguesdc

Mumps and the MMR vaccine

Evening Standard editorial comment

Parents have good reason to be concerned about the possibility of a mumps outbreak in London. The epidemiological history of this infectious disease suggests that mumps is unpleasant but hardly ever fatal to children. In rare cases it causes meningitis or encephalitis; it can also cause infertility in boys. Before there was a vaccine for mumps, it tended to kill no more than five people a year.

Yet it is impossible to be certain that half a century of vaccination against the disease will not have weakened our natural immunity to the extent that a renewed outbreak would produce unusually severe symptoms.

This is why the near quadrupling of mumps cases in the capital to 112 in 2001, and the 30 per cent rise in the last quarter over the previous three months, is particularly worrying, given that clinics across the country have been without supplies of the mumps vaccine for up to six months and do not know when they can expect fresh supplies.

The Government will be blamed for creating this situation, and endangering childrens' lives, by insisting that the triple MMR vaccine be used to inoculate children against measles, mumps and rubella, but it is not directly the fault of the Department of Health. The reason why there is such a shortage of mumps vaccine is that not much of it is being manufactured (none to UK licence specifications) and the logical reason for this is that every country in the developed world except Britain has accepted the overwhelming scientific evidence that MMR does not trigger autism in young children. This is not to say that blame should rest with parents who refuse the triple vaccine.

Ever since Dr Andrew Wakefield produced his own variant findings, which suggested a possible link between MMR and autism and bowel disorders, enough anecdotal evidence has emerged that the MMR vaccination appears to coincide with the onset of autism in young children to convince many parents that they must be connected. Pressure is therefore growing to make it the responsibility of the Government to accelerate the production of mumps vaccine and then provide all three vaccinations separately on the NHS. This will be the first major challenge for the new public health minister David Lammy, and perhaps the toughest he will ever have to face.



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To: TomB
TomB please do not put words into my mouth...

you have harped on post#93 enough - as if that proves your entire case...

141 posted on 08/17/2002 6:27:06 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: krodriguesdc
Well at least you're backtracking a little, but not much.

this was meant to say that, further research will show that there is a link to SIDS and DPT...

No, actually, the DPT/SIDS link has been disproved for many years, ever since the "back to sleep" program cut SIDS death almost in half since the early '90s.

that study leaves many questions as to cause and effect...

There is nothing in the study in any way, shape, matter, or form, that states or implies a "cause and effect" between DPT and an increase in SIDS.

you can't, for instance, using your own logic, that this study proves that DPT is beneficial as far as SIDS goes...

As I said earlier, it doesn't PROVE anything, but it does suggest a very stong association, and it (DPT causing a DECREASE in SIDS) should be studied further.

there are at least as many studies indicating that DPT is linke3d in some way to an increase in SIDS...

You mean current studies? I'm not aware of any.

That, of course, begs the question. Since vaccination rates have remained steady in the past decade, why have SIDS rates dropped so much?

142 posted on 08/17/2002 6:34:33 AM PDT by TomB
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To: krodriguesdc
TomB please do not put words into my mouth...

What words would those be?

you have harped on post#93 enough - as if that proves your entire case...

Well, either you completely misread the abstract, which doesn't say much about your medical knowledge or reasoning skills, or you are lying about what the study says.

Either way, it isn't pretty. And I'll continue to bring it up until you prove your case or admit you were wrong.

143 posted on 08/17/2002 6:38:21 AM PDT by TomB
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To: krodriguesdc
And you still haven't addressed my question from post 127:

'Brain damage in children ?is caused by jab mercury?"

Are you now saying that it isn't MMR that causes autism? Because if you are, it invalidates a lot of the anecdotes that says it does.

144 posted on 08/17/2002 6:47:48 AM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
OK TomB here is more information for you to Pooh Pooh...

here's the link...

Citations  SIDS

Bernier RH, et al (1982). Diphtheria-tetanus toxoids-pertussis vaccination and sudden infant deaths in Tennessee. J Pediatr. 1982 Sep;101(3):419-21. No abstract available. PMID: 7108666; UI: 82268390. Tennessee cluster stirs inquiries (Fresno Bee DPT report 1984)

Torch, W.S., 1982. Diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) immunization: a potential cause of the Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). Neurology; 32(4): A169 abstract).

"At the 34th Annual Meeting of the American Academy of Pediatrics, presented a study linking the DPT shot with SIDS. Torch concluded: "These data show that DPT vaccination may be a generally unrecognized major cause of sudden infant and early childhood death, and that the risks of immunization may outweigh its potential benefits. A need for reevaluation and possible modification of current vaccination procedures is indicated by this study." --Harris Coulter

Mortimer EA Jr, et al (1983). DTP and SIDS. Pediatr Infect Dis. 1983 Nov-Dec;2(6):492-3. No abstract available. PMID: 6657506; UI: 84095192.

Baraff LJ, et al (1983) Possible temporal association between diphtheria-tetanus toxoid-pertussis vaccination and sudden infant death syndrome. Pediatr Infect Dis. 1983 Jan-Feb;2(1):7-11. PMID: 6835859; UI: 83169234.
Because diphtheria and tetanus toxoids pertussis (DTP) vaccine is routinely given during the period of highest incidence of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), this study was undertaken to determine if there is a temporal association between DTP immunization and SIDS. Parents of 145 SIDS victims who died in Los Angeles County between January 1, 1979, and August 23, 1980, were contacted and interviewed regarding their child's recent immunization history. Fifty-three had received a DTP immunization. Of these 53, 27 had received a DTP immunization within 28 days of death. Six SIDS deaths occurred within 24 hours and 17 occurred within 1 week of DTP immunization. These SIDS deaths were significantly more than expected were there no association between DTP immunization and SIDS. An additional 46 infants had a physician/clinic visit without DTP immunization prior to death. Forty of these infants died within 28 days of this visit, seven on the third day and 22 within the first week following the visit. These deaths were also significantly more than expected. These data suggest a temporal association between DTP immunization, physician visits without DTP immunization and SIDS. PMID: 6835859, UI: 83169234 "They found a statistically significant excess of deaths in the first day and the first week after vaccination, i.e., a "temporal association." They rejected the use of a "control group," and instead relied on the intuitively obvious assumption that "there should be no temporal association between DPT immunization and SIDS were there no causal relationship between these two events." I have not found any criticism of this article for relying on "anecdotal evidence." This study was not financed by the US Government but apparently by the UCLA School of Medicine and the Los Angeles County Department of Health Services."--Harris Coulter 

Torch, W.C., 1986 a. Characteristics of diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) postvaccinal deaths and DPT-caused Sudden Infant Deaths Syndrome (SIDS): a review. Neurology (suppl 1); 36: 148 (abstract).

Torch, W.C., 1986 b. Diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) imunization may be an unrecognized cause of Sudden Infant Death (SIDS) and Near-Miss Syndrome (NMS): 12 case reports. Neurology (suppl 1); 36: 149 (abstract).

Walker AM, et al (1987).  Diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis immunization and sudden infant death syndrome. Am J Public Health. 1987 Aug;77(8):945-51. PMID: 3496805; UI: 87268250.
We compared the recency of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) immunization in healthy children with birthweights greater than 2500 gms who died of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) to that of age-matched reference children, using a modified case-control analysis. Focusing on very narrow time intervals following immunization, we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days after immunization (95 per cent confidence interval, 1.7 to 31). The mortality rate of non-immunized infants was 6.5 times that of immunized infants of the same age (95 per cent CI, 2.2 to 19). The latter result and to some extent the former appear to be ascribable to known risk factors for SIDS. Although the mortality ratios for SIDS following DTP, as estimated from this study, are high the period of apparently elevated risk was very short, so that only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants with birthweights greater than 2500 gms could be associated with DTP. PMID: 3496805, UI: 87268250

"This study supports a link between the DPT shot and "sudden infant death syndrome." The authors examined the records of all children born in the Group Health Cooperative of Puget Sound between 1972 and 1983 to see how many had died of SIDS. Total births recorded during this period were 35,581, but of them only 26,500 were eligible for the study. Not all deaths of infants during this period were considered to be SIDS. "All deaths which on the basis of death certificate diagnosis, hospital discharge data, and pharmacy use taken together could be clearly ascribed to causes not related to immunization were excluded." Ultimately, "SIDS was defined as any death for which no cause could be discerned among infants of normal birthweight and without predisposing medical conditions." But, despite these exclusions and restrictions, the authors found "the SIDS mortality rate in the period 0-3 days following a DPT shot to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days after immunization." They called the results of this study "worrisome" but consoled themselves with the thought that "only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with DPT." A particular criticism to be made of this study is that children with "predisposing medical conditions" were excluded and their deaths were not considered to be SIDS, whereas in actuality children with "predisposing medical conditions" are routinely vaccinated."--Harris Coulter 

Noble GR, et al (1987). Acellular and whole-cell pertussis vaccines in Japan. Report of a visit by US scientists. JAMA. 1987 Mar 13;257(10):1351-6. PMID: 3820444; UI: 87141495.
In 1985 twin boys simultaneously succumbed to sudden unexpected deaths two to three hours after vaccination with diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine (DTP). This occurrence again raises the question of whether an association of sudden infant death (SID) with vaccination is other than temporal. Taking the incidence of SID in conjunction with rates of infant vaccination in the United Kingdom, nine infants would be expected to die, each year by chance alone, suddenly within 24 hours of (and within each 24 hour period succeeding) vaccination with DTP. Twins are at a greater risk of SID than single born infants and occasionally are found dead together. A number of studies into DTP vaccination as a risk factor in SID have shown that SID is less common in vaccinated than in unvaccinated infants. PMID: 3498443, UI: 87325057 

Hoffman HJ, et al (1987).    Diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis immunization and sudden infant death: results of the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development Cooperative Epidemiological Study of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome risk factors. Pediatrics. 1987 Apr;79(4):598-611. PMID: 3493477; UI: 87146149

"This sort of attempted (statistical) comparison can only be described as a shambles, a grotesque imitation of scientific method designed to fool the public (and the journalists who are supposed to be monitoring precisely this sort of intellectual dishonesty). It would have made as much sense to interview the first 1600 people they could pick up in the Greyhound Bus Station and ask them about their vaccination status. But this article had its effect. Dr. Torch was effectively silenced, and for years this pseudo-science has been cited as one of the medical establishment's principal weapons in its drive to extend childhood vaccination programs. How do you react when your own government lies to you systematically about life-and-death questions? As I have noted earlier, the answer is political action in the state legislatures, and one weapon in the hands of the public is an understanding of the pseudo-science and pseudo-epidemiology represented by articles like this one."--Harris Coulter  

Cherry, J.D. (1988), Brunell, P.A., Golden, G.S., Karzon, D.T., (1988), Report of the task force on pertussis and pertussis immunization, Pediatrics 81:6 Part 11 (June 1988) Supplement pp 936-984.
Excerpt: The rate of severe reactions does not differ significantly between the acellular and whole-cell vaccines when used at 24 months of age. The decrease in severe reactions is slight, if any. The category "sudden death" is also instructive in that the entity disappeared following both whole-cell and acellular vaccines when immunisation was delayed until a child was 24 months of age. It is clear that delaying the initial vaccination until a child is 24 months, regardless of the type of vaccine, reduces most of the temporally associated severe adverse events.

Walker AM, et al (1988).  Neurologic events following diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis immunization. Pediatrics. 1988 Mar;81(3):345-9. PMID: 3257822; UI: 88143851.
The frequency of serious neurologic events following the administration of 106,000 doses of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccine at Group Health Cooperative of Puget Sound was determined using a population-based case-control study with disease ascertainment through pharmacy and hospitalization records. There were no cases of acute unexplained encephalopathies in close temporal relation to vaccination. There was the new onset of one serious seizure disorder in the three days following immunization, with 1.13 expected on the basis of chance alone. PMID: 3257822, UI: 88143851

 

Griffin MR, et al.  Risk of sudden infant death syndrome after immunization with the diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccine. N Engl J Med. 1988 Sep 8;319(10):618-23. PMID: 3261837; UI: 88318811.
Griffin MR, et al. Risk of seizures and encephalopathy after immunization with the diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccine. JAMA. 1990 Mar 23-30;263(12):1641-5. PMID: 2308203; UI: 90172513.
"Two studies by teams of epidemiologists headed by Marie R. Griffin represent perhaps the absolute worst I have encountered in many years of reading this literature.......It is amazing that such a study (1988 NEJM) could be accepted by a reputable scientific journal. The reason was doubtless that the study was funded by the CDC and the FDA, and that two of the coauthors (Griffin and Ray) were at the time "Burroughs Wellcome Scholars in pharmacoepidemiology" (whatever that is). Burroughs-Wellcome is, of course, a major producer of the pertussis vaccine. Have these people never heard of conflict of interest?........These kinds of articles bring the Public Health Service, the CDC, the FDA, the "peer-reviewed" journals, and the rest of the medical-industrial-government complex into disrepute. Physicians can swallow this garbage if they want, since they make their living from it, but parents who expect at least elementary honesty from those who call themselves "scientists," and whose children are being maimed and crippled by the very vaccines which are proclaimed innocuous by authors such as Griffin et al. are already taking steps to put this invalid out of its misery. The relations between the public and the vaccine establishment are surely going to get a lot worse before they start getting any better."

145 posted on 08/17/2002 6:56:26 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: TomB
and still yet more...here is link...

VAERS & SIDS

2000  - An ongoing sampling of cases reported to VAERS          search the Vaccination News site

VAERS ID 134249    An infant received the DTaP, HBHepB and IPV vaccines  on 2/8/00.  Foster mom found her dead 5 days later.  Autopsy performed, preliminary conclusion SIDS.   (California)

VAERS ID 134118    An infant received the HepB vaccine on 1/24/00.  7 days later she died of apparent SIDS.  (Hawaii)

VAERS ID 134070    An infant received the DTaP vaccine on 1/4/00.  3 days later she was found not breathing, with no pulse.   Death certificate lists cause of death as SIDS;  autopsy revealed no abnormalities.  (Ohio)

VAERS ID 133895/134068    A 5 year-old received the DTP, MMR and OPV vaccines on 1/25/00.  Subsequently she developed a fever which progressed to seizures on 2/2/00.  She then went into a coma, progressing to organ failure.  Life support was discontinued and she died on 2/4/00 (10 days later).  Says "Reported cause of death" and that's it.  Later her file was updated to say "1 wk post vax, pt devel severe fatal encephalopathy".  (New Jersey)

VAERS ID 133896    An infant received the DTaP, HBHepB and IPV vaccines on 1/13/00.  2 1/2 days after the vaccine she died a sudden death - probably SIDS, coroners report pending.  She was fine between the vaccination and her unexpected death.  The reported writes "I doubt this is related to the vaccines, but wanting to be thorough".  (Colorado)

VAERS ID 134672    An infant received the DTaP, HIBV, IPV and HepB vaccines on 1/12/00.  There were not signs, no symptoms, found dead 5 days later.  Autopsy findings (per grandmother) stated that he died of SIDS.  (Texas)

VAERS ID 134249   An infant received the DTaP, HBHepB and IPV vaccines on 2/8/00.  5 days later she was found dead.   Preliminary autopsy - SIDS.  (California)

VAERS ID 151749    An infant received the DTaP, HBHepB and IPV vaccines on 4/4/00.  9 or 10 days post vax she died of SIDS.  (Pennsylvania)

VAERS ID 151748    An infant received the DTaP, HBHepB and IPV vaccines on 3/22/00.  26 days later he died of SIDS. Autopsy being performed.  (Pennsylvania)

VAERS ID 151621    An infant received the DTaP, HIBV and IPV vaccines on 5/2/00.  The next day he was found apneic and asystolic, tied up in blankets (24 hours post vaccination).  (Connecticut)

VAERS ID 151620    An infant received the DTaP, HBHepB, and IPV vaccines on 4/17/00.  That same day he died of SIDS.  (Mom brought him to the hospital because he had stopped breathing.)  (Louisiana)

VAERS ID 151190    An infant received the DTaP, HBHepB and IPV vaccines on 4/6/00.  3 days later, after going to bed at 3AM with mother, he died of SIDS.  (Oregon)

VAERS ID 150974    An infant received the DTaP, HIBV and IPV vaccines on 3/29/00.  4 days later she died of suspected SIDS.  (Washington)

VAERS ID 152501    An infant received the DTaP, HIBV and IPV vaccines on 1/14/00.  5 days later she died of SIDS.   (New Hampshire)

VAERS ID 152417    An infant received the DTaP, HIBV and IPV vaccines on 5/22/00.  3 days later he died of SIDS.   (Ohio)

VAERS ID 152301    An infant received the DTaP, HBHepB and IPV vaccines on 4/17/00.  Less than 24 hours later he had died of SIDS (official coroner's report confirms).  (Ohio)

VAERS ID 152001    An infant received the DTaP, HIBV, IPV and HepB vaccines on 4/13/00.  Five days later she died of SIDS.  (Maine)

VAERS ID 151867    An infant received the DTaP, HBHepB and IPV vaccines on 5/10/00.  The next day he was found lifeless, unresponsive and transported to the hospital.  CPR was unsuccessful.   Diagnosed SIDS.  (Georgia)


146 posted on 08/17/2002 7:00:44 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: krodriguesdc
As I said, I'm not familiar with any CURRENT studies.

The ones you've posted are from the 80's.

So why have SIDS rates gone down 50% in the 90s?

But the bigger question is why should we belive those studies say what you claim they do? You've proven yourself incapable of understanding this stuff, so why should we believe you now?

147 posted on 08/17/2002 7:14:53 AM PDT by TomB
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To: krodriguesdc
Once again your stuff isn't saying what you think it's saying.

Here's from the Baraff LJ 1983 (not the most current study in the world, but we know how you like those musty dusties) quote (I'm reformating for clarity):
Fifty-three had received a DTP immunization.
Of these 53, 27 had received a DTP immunization within 28 days of death.
Six SIDS deaths occurred within 24 hours and
17 occurred within 1 week of DTP immunization.

{from me - so far that seems pretty damning, but the things continue):

An additional 46 infants had a physician/clinic visit without DTP immunization prior to death.
Forty of these infants died within 28 days of this visit,
seven on the third day
and 22 within the first week following the visit.
These deaths were also significantly more than expected.

Now according to this study doctor visits are almost as dangerous as being immunized for DPT.

Finally it says:
These data suggest a temporal association between DTP immunization, physician visits without DTP immunization and SIDS.

Then there's a rant about temporal linkage showing causal linkage, which anyone that's taken freshman logic knows is pure BS. Let's repeat it for the home audience who might not have wasted part of their life in college: temporal linkage does not prove causation, A precedes B does not mean A caused B... ever. Interestingly that rant only focuses on the temporal linkage of the vaccine and completely ignores the equally damning "evidence" against the pediatricians, thus showing that the people involved had a clear axe to grind.
148 posted on 08/17/2002 8:28:11 AM PDT by discostu
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To: discostu
thus showing that the people involved had a clear axe to grind.

ahh! - a true example of cause and effect!

149 posted on 08/17/2002 8:36:29 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: krodriguesdc
From National SIDS Resource Center

What SIDS Is and What SIDS Is Not

SIDS Is:

SIDS Is Not:


From the CDC


150 posted on 08/17/2002 9:03:06 AM PDT by TomB
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To: krodriguesdc
Now, according to your post 127, you are now claiming that it is mercury in vaccines that cause autism. Is that the case? You no longer claim it is MMR itself?
151 posted on 08/17/2002 9:14:53 AM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
thimerosol has been looked at as the culprit - yes...

I am sure you knew that...

152 posted on 08/17/2002 10:53:44 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: Al B.
The "doctor" may not like it, but MMR vaccine safety is actually a serious medical debate.

MMR shouldn't be a debate even, it should be left up to the parents. If their child is sickly, they might want the vaccine but healthy children can tolerate measles, mumps, and rubella very well. I had all three when I was a child and I'm the healthiest person I know --besides my kids. Anyone who would refuse the polio vaccine would be an idiot I think ---when you see someone with post-polio syndrome and the life they endured after suffering through polio, you wouldn't want to risk that one.

153 posted on 08/17/2002 11:03:55 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: krodriguesdc
if you were my doctor I'd go elsewhere...,P>unfortunately, though, some who are tied to HMO's etc have limited choices as far as that goes and many are stuck with medical mentalities such as yours... clearly, that issue should be addressed as well someday on a separate thread.....

But I'm not your doctor. And you're still sidestepping one of the issues at hand in this thread which is not HMOs but your complete misunderstanding of the scientific and medical matters referred to in the abstract that you posted.
154 posted on 08/17/2002 11:06:39 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: discostu
Hi, do you have access to the full text paper the abstract of which he posted earlier? This paper shows that DPT immunization had a clear effect on SIDS and that the earlier the immunization, the less children in that age group died from SIDS. If you want it, let me know and I'll send you a pdf. There's a really interesting phrase in it. If k didn't understand the abstract, it would be a real hoot to see what he did with this one. I'll mail it to you.
155 posted on 08/17/2002 11:11:06 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: FITZ
MMR shouldn't be a debate even, it should be left up to the parents.  If their child is sickly, they might want the vaccine but healthy children can tolerate measles, mumps, and rubella very well. I had all three when I was a child and I'm the healthiest person I know --besides my kids.

Careful, you may be on thin ice with the medical thought police around here. :-)

But you're right of course.  I had measles and mumps, but not rubella.  Actually, I had measles and pneumonia at the same time.  That put me in the hospital for a few days when I was seven.

In fact, I seem to have read somewhere that measles has never been particularly fatal to children in developed countries.  Combined with poor nutrition in 3rd world countries, I'm sure it's quite dangerous, as would a lot of other things.

156 posted on 08/17/2002 11:25:01 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: Al B.
The problem with the measles vaccine (and others) it doesn't get the titers up high enough, a natural infection does better. We had an outbreak of measles in the high schools here a few years ago among kids who had been vaccinated. Of course the adolescent years aren't when someone should get a childhood disease especially mumps for the well-known reasons. One of mine came down with mumps before he was vaccinated at 2 months of age and other than the swollen salivary glands and a little fever wasn't sick.

I think the natural childhood diseases are good and stimulate the immune system. A body that knows how to fight off disease is healthier. People who grow up in too much cleanliness are weaker for that reason.
157 posted on 08/17/2002 11:39:03 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: krodriguesdc
When they're study says that there's just as much risk of a child dieing of SIDS if they get immunized, if they go to the doctor but aren't immunized, and presumably if they do niether doctor visit or immunization (151 SIDS deaths in the study, 53 died within a month of being immunized, 46 died within a month of going to the doctor but were not immunized, which leave 52 that died under category "other", pretty clean thirds looks to me). And they even go so far as to say the SIDS deaths after doctor visits but no immunization was "higher than expected". Then they go off on the vaccine like that obviously caused it, when their own study shows it obviously DIDN'T. That's an axe.
158 posted on 08/17/2002 11:47:22 AM PDT by discostu
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To: aruanan
Interesting stuff. There's one sentence that, taken grossly out of context, would seem to support his position, unless you read it in context in which case it clearly shows, once again like study after study, that vaccines save lives even in unintended ways like DPT preventing SIDS. If we wait long enough he'll probably post it himself, and bold that sentence thinking that's the whole story.

Note to all, I only know enough about medicine to get me to the age of 33 without having spent time in the hospital (other than those 1st couple of days which are unavoidable) inspite of being diagnosed with chronic bronchitis at age 3. I'm here defending logic and reason. When you look at the studies and the charts and the graphs, even the ones presented by the anti-vaccine people, the case is clear. The vaccines are safe and effective. Don't let yourself get fooled by accidents of timing. Autism set in between the ages of 18 and 24 months long before anybody invented any part of the MMR vaccine which they tend to give at 18 months. Much like SIDS hit between the ages of 2 and 6 months long before we started giving 3 month olds the DPT vaccine.
159 posted on 08/17/2002 11:59:34 AM PDT by discostu
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To: FITZ
I'm no vaccine expert, but what you say makes a lot of sense.

It also makes sense for parents to educate themselves as much as possible on medical matters. I've done a fair bit of poking around medical journals looking into psychiatric drug issues, and it's clear to me that medical science has become as politicized and outcome-based as so many other areas these days.

It's too bad that when a doc with an otherwise good record raises an issue that needs to be objectively refuted, as was the case with Dr. Wakefield and MMR, that instead he gets personally attacked and fired from his job by the vested interests. That should be a concern to anyone interested in getting good information on which to base personal medical decisions.

160 posted on 08/17/2002 12:01:19 PM PDT by Al B.
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