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1 posted on 08/12/2002 12:47:35 PM PDT by Pokey78
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2 posted on 08/12/2002 12:48:26 PM PDT by Pokey78
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Sullivan is a fine writer who gets right to the point. Europe can be as sanctimonious, hypocritical, and historically blind as it chooses. The French have developed such habits to an art form more precise than the making of champagne or cheese. But the bottom line is that their foolishness is simply irrelevant.

We have work to do at home and abroad. If they get in the way, they will suffer. Otherwise, they can stand on the sidelines and bleat likie bewildered sheep.

For the kind of work we have to do at home, click the second link below.

Congressman Billybob

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4 posted on 08/12/2002 12:58:29 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Pokey78
Sullivan is a fine writer who gets right to the point. Europe can be as sanctimonious, hypocritical, and historically blind as it chooses. The French have developed such habits to an art form more precise than the making of champagne or cheese. But the bottom line is that their foolishness is simply irrelevant.

We have work to do at home and abroad. If they get in the way, they will suffer. Otherwise, they can stand on the sidelines and bleat like bewildered sheep.

For the kind of work we have to do at home, click the second link below.

Congressman Billybob

Click for latest column: "Good People, Naked People, People Who Are Wet and Wild."

Click for latest book: "to Restore Trust in America"

5 posted on 08/12/2002 12:58:54 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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Yesterday, I spent a good deal of time in the company of a cousin who is Spanish and lives in Barcelona. She assured me that the people of Spain, France, Italy, etc., really do want us to deal with Iraq. Maybe not the governments at least not outwardly, but the people do want Iraq and the terrorist threat neutralized. I'm just going by what she told me. They are very afraid over there that they'll be next.
6 posted on 08/12/2002 1:00:32 PM PDT by Desdemona
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8 posted on 08/12/2002 1:05:31 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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I wonder what the French would do if the Eiffel tower had a plane rammed into it...
9 posted on 08/12/2002 1:18:11 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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13 posted on 08/12/2002 1:55:11 PM PDT by dennisw
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Good article, good writer...

"Iraq? Stay put — we don't necessarily need or desire your help. The Middle East? Shame on you, not us, for financing the terrorists on the West Bank. The Palestinian Authority and Israel? You helped to fund a terrorist clique; we, a democracy — go figure. Racism? Arabs are safer in America than Jews are in Europe. That 200,000 were butchered in Bosnia and Kosovo a few hours from Rome and Berlin is a stain on you, the inactive, not us, the interventionist. Capital punishment? Our government has executed terrorists; yours have freed them. Do the moral calculus."

14 posted on 08/12/2002 2:08:14 PM PDT by KineticKitty
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If we do manage to remove Saddam and install a democracy in Iraq it will change the face of the Middle East. I believe that we will oust him, set up an interim government, and maintain a presence for at least a decade. Our military is still in Germany and Japan after WW2. I also bet that the Russians play a major role in helping to rebuild Iraq. I am terribly nervous about this war but we have a great team in charge. Thank God that the Dems are not running our mililtary during these difficult times.
18 posted on 08/12/2002 2:23:41 PM PDT by foreshadowed at waco
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To: Pokey78
Good article - thanks for sharing.
20 posted on 08/12/2002 2:35:44 PM PDT by southerngrit
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At times, it even seems that Europeans believe that America's self-defense is more of a problem for world order than terrorist groups, aided by local tyrants like Saddam, coming close to acquiring weapons of mass destruction. On this score, many Americans don't just differ with many Europeans, they are repulsed by their inverted logic and moral delinquency.

I think the Euros have taken us for granted so long they just assume they can take sides against us out of habit and we will always be there when they need us. What I see is real hostility among the American people towards the Euros where before they were simply annoying. A lot of Euros are saying they won't let us use bases in their country in the fight against Iraq. We should tell them if they don't we leave NATO and they are on their own.

25 posted on 08/12/2002 3:58:30 PM PDT by Hugin
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An excellent, and sadly truthful piece. I would like to add something of interest here, if I might: I have deployed to Europe on three separate occaisions, and continue to train amongst European(and Australian) military personnel to this day. I can truthfully say that the grunt-level Soldiers and Sailors of the Continent would like nothing better than to be unleashed upon the terrs to fight with us. THEY "get it", and very well. They were just as shocked and enraged by the atrocities of 9-11 as we, and most were solidly dissapointed in their governments' fecklessness.

Heap scorn and derision to the heights of the Twin Towers themselves on the quisling Euro Left and the worthless socialist governments it has spawned, but remember that their best men (be they French Foriegn Legion, Bundeswehr, Italian Army/Navy, or Her Majesty's Troops) are with us in spirit, at least until their bosses strap on a set.


26 posted on 08/12/2002 4:21:14 PM PDT by Long Cut
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Excellent article by Sullivan.

If I may contribute one minor point re Germany:

Chancellor Schroeder (separated from Clinton at birth) has indeed fired up his craven pandering to overdrive, hoping to score points with his electorate at U.S. expense.

"Germany," he says, "will not join any U.S. action against Iraq because there is no UN security council mandate."

(I'm sure Rumsfeld is crestfallen, he had so been hoping the Panzergrenadiere would carry the burden of the war.)

Ironically, however, the German association of Bundeswehr officers has slapped Schroeder in the face with a polite reminder that the security council has not even been asked yet for a resolution. By not waiting for such a vote, the association said, Schroeder is shoowing disrespect for the United Nations and the principle of international law that he supposedly holds dear.

Heheh. Schroeder and his minions are beside themselves with rage (Who's in charge here! etc.), but they can't help looking more and more pathetic every day.

27 posted on 08/12/2002 4:30:06 PM PDT by tictoc
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Brilliant Sullivan piece.

After we are through nuking Iraq and Saudi Arabia it might be to our benefit to include Europe. Then we can repopulate the empty expanse with an American colonization.

29 posted on 08/12/2002 7:11:33 PM PDT by Cacique
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Bump.
39 posted on 08/12/2002 8:01:00 PM PDT by Rocko
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Thank you for posting this excellent article. I read it closely as it deserves.

Noted above is the distinct likelihood that the greatest European opposition to American resolve vis a vis Iraq/Saddam is in its government/media elite, steeped in socialism/globalism, ignorant of the texture of the facts on the ground.

We here are shedding our media like so much snakeskin, empty and useless, as the sinewy strength evolves.

Sullivan has laid out in dense clarity the perception of European condescension by Americans with sleeves rolled up.

It's clear that all would not be swell had not U.S. and Russian armies driven to the very block above Hitler's bunker--as they must do in Baghdad.

It's not for nothing that Bush labelled Iran, Iraq and North Korea the Axis of Evil, as they flank the Anus of Evil: China.

China is currently aiding Al Qaeda in Pakistan as it did in Afghanistan, as it provided Saddam with fiber optic links for his air defense, and (through its deniable sock puppet North Korea) the various Scud derivatives of Taipodong-types, themselves derived from Chinese No Dong technology--and all, of course, improved by traitor-rapist42 and his donors Schwartz/Armstrong Loral/Hughes.

The French sip wine as the Israeli Embassy in Paris is destroyed by fire, having denied us airspace to hit Kadafi.

Should Al Qaeda fly hijacked aircraft into their Eiffel Tower, would they not simply headline it, "Le Eiffel hit--Where was Israel?"

Oui.

45 posted on 08/12/2002 8:28:51 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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Sullivan presents more neo-conserative nonsense. By the way, I nearly hit the floor laughing at his ludicrous comments about the "genocide" occuring in the Balkans. Is Sullivan yet ANOTHER neo-con who hates Mohammedean aggression in the Middle East, but loves it in the Balkans when it threatens European Christians?
52 posted on 08/13/2002 10:28:44 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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