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Let's Roll: Exclusive excerpts from Lisa Beamer's book about Flight 93
World ^ | August 17 issue | Lisa Beamer

Posted on 08/10/2002 6:59:42 AM PDT by Mr. Mulliner

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To: COB1; LadyX; Singapore_Yank
(Will be rereading this many times - and getting the book - thanks for the post and the ping!)

I understand the essence of your essay, COB1, and do agree. What Satan intended for our harm (and it did cause terrible harm), God knew was coming in his Omniscience and allowed it in His Providential Will - and is using this disaster to bring good - for individuals and for our country.

But that does not, as others have said, negate the terrorists individual accountability before a Holy Righteous God for their actions. Instead of the paradise with virgins, these terrorists are now experiencing the "weeping and gnashing of teeth" that comes for those who are banished from the presence of God for all eternity. There is no greater "terror" than to not be with God in all eternity - to be separated from His presence. There is no greater horror. By acting against God, against the true God, and on behalf of a false god, one of many Satan has created down through time, those terrorists and others like them show forth the evidence of their eternal damnation.

Lisa Beamer, on the other hand, and her husband, by their faith and actions on that faith, have displayed the truth that they have received eternal life (which does not end when this physical life is over) from the One who died that they might have that eternal life!!!

And, thanks be to God, yes, He can turn and has turned this nation back towards him - just a bit at least - using these horrible events.

I believe that He has actually given America a window of opportunity to truly turn around and go towards God.

Individuals are doing this - but not the country as a whole - not yet.

Not that God would want that suffering and death for any human being. He does not. He says over and over in His Word that His will is for us all to come to the knowledge of the Truth - which is eternal life through His Son!

Just as at Columbine High - where Rachel Scott's courageous stand for God in the face of murderous evil - reached out to others in this country and the world - as she was murdered because she would not repudiate her faith in God...so also, Todd Beamer's faith and courage have reached out to people in the nation and the world - and Lisa Beamer's radiant faith, the same.

God knew what was coming. God had Todd Beamer and the others who acted on the "Let's Roll" command on that plane. God gave the time on the ground to delay that plane's actions long enough so that the people on the airline would KNOW what had already happened and would make the decision to act.

Just like Rachel Scott's testimony shook up the enemies of God and of America across the world - so, too, the testimony of Todd and Lisa Beamer and others has shaken up those who want us destroyed. More importantly, souls have been redeemed - and many more will be - after reading about Todd Beamer's and Lisa Beamer's story! Praise God's Holy Name Forever!

81 posted on 08/10/2002 3:27:26 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: COB1
As you probably know, John Piper is a very strong advocate of the sovereignty of God. His article comes from this page where you will find a collection of links to articles about the sovereignty and foreknowledge of God, some by classic authors and some from modern writers.
82 posted on 08/10/2002 3:27:54 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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To: Singapore_Yank; COB1; Jim Scott; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; All
We are in agreement that God does NOT 'cause' evil acts, but allows them to occur.
He made quite clear that for now, the evil one is in control of earth FOR A TIME, seeking whom he can devour.

In trying to separate us from our Father (most especially if we are close to God), he uses our weaknesses to sin - tries to create doubt - and heaps upon us grief and sorrow and sickness, sneering "Where was your god when your child/loved one was taken or stricken by 'XYZ?;' the earthquake/tornado/fire struck, etc.

Some do then 'blame' God, losing sight of His love for us.

The Holy Spirit IS always there if we know Him, surrounding and comforting us until we are better balanced and avail ourselves of His full love.

It is our will to choose to follow the Plan He has for us - or reject it.
Still - even when we stray or stumble, He is there when we repent, picking us up and setting our feet on His path again.

Therein lies the beauty, knowing that such horrendous things as 9/11 and the Holocaust can be used to - being stunned as one said - bring us to individual and national repentence and strongly seek Him.

83 posted on 08/10/2002 3:33:23 PM PDT by LadyX
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To: LadyX; COB1
LadyX, thank you for including me in your ping........

I think Cob said it best:

Therefore, these tragedies of 9/11 are tragedies only from our perspective. In God's perspective they make perfect sense.

84 posted on 08/10/2002 3:48:14 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: LadyX; COB1
Thanks for the ping Lady. Well said COB!
85 posted on 08/10/2002 3:51:10 PM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Thanks, B.
I knew I could count on you to open it up!

I, like John Piper, believe strongly in the sovereignty of God.

Were these terrorists prepared all their lives to be on that plane at that time to carry out God's plan?
Was Judas prepared all of his life to betray Jesus?
Did either have a choice?
This is a conundrum.
If they had a choice then they could have at any time chosen a different route to take in their lives, and God would have had to revamp His plan.
I don't think God ever changes His plans.
So were the terrorists predestined to be there to do what they had to do just as was Judas?
If they were predestined to do what they had to do, then they were predestined to go to hell!
The only way that I have ever reconciled these seemingly contradictory ideas is to believe that predestination exists with God, but not with man.

86 posted on 08/10/2002 4:16:06 PM PDT by COB1
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To: LadyX
Thank you, LadyX.
The oldest book in the Bible, as you know, is the Book of Job.
This book is replete with instances of the power of Satan being allowed to manifest itself with the permission of God.
Job never once decried God's authority, and, as a result, gained favor in God's eyes.

We, as a nation, must use Job as our example.
We have been afflicted with a dire tragedy, but we must be thankful that God has chosen this nation to exert His will on earth, and has chosen our people to be His tools of righteousness.

87 posted on 08/10/2002 4:34:18 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
Thank you thank you thank you. I will put her book on my "to buy" list.
88 posted on 08/10/2002 5:07:07 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska
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To: Jeff Head; MeeknMing
Thanks for the pings. Very powerful testimony from a wonderful lady steeled by her faith in the Almighty. May He continue to bless her abundantly.

Other posters have stated it in various ways, but the simplest way I know how to say it is that God's ways are only mysterious to us. Girded by an abiding faith in His abilities, we may not understand, but can confront and accept life's challenges with a peace that surpasses all understanding.

Let's Roll...

FGS

89 posted on 08/10/2002 5:31:15 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake
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To: Jeff Head
Thanks for the ping. Great guy Todd.


90 posted on 08/10/2002 5:46:46 PM PDT by Dubya
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To: MeeknMing
Please remove me from your general info list, thanks!
91 posted on 08/10/2002 5:51:38 PM PDT by MVV
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To: Singapore_Yank
What a beautiful tribute. May God Bless Todd Beamer, his family and all of the victims of 9-11 and their families.

Thank-you for pinging me to this, S_Y. {{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}
92 posted on 08/10/2002 6:01:31 PM PDT by dansangel
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To: ForGod'sSake; Jim Scott; Singapore_Yank
...the simplest way I know how to say it is that God's ways are only mysterious to us. Girded by an abiding faith in His abilities, we may not understand, but can confront and accept life's challenges with a peace that surpasses all understanding.

Her comparison of a well-intentioned memorial service performed without God as it's center and Todd's Christ-centered service is striking, especially for those of us who've attended both types. One is sadness, wan hopes and thin comfort, although well-intended.

Your "simplest way" of saying it is very profound!! I, too, found myself drawn to her description of the difference in the services and her ability to express it so well.

What a great article! Thanks for posting this!

93 posted on 08/10/2002 6:11:57 PM PDT by computerjunkie
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To: JohnHuang2
Todd was not a Hollywood hunk or a comic-book superhero. He was an ordinary guy with ordinary faith in a great God.

Thanks you so much, John.....without your ping I may have missed this thread.

God Bless Lisa Beamer and her beautiful children! Her faith & Todd's faith based courage will surely be the example to bring many souls to God.

BTW this is the first time I've heard about the phone operator also being named Lisa and the coincidence of the scripture passages.....God works in mysterious ways....that are beyond our comprehension.

94 posted on 08/10/2002 6:30:24 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks for the ping, that is powerful. Many beautiful posts as well.
95 posted on 08/10/2002 6:33:02 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: COB1
Yes, I too believe in God's sovereignty. And the predestination thing is probably a topic for another thread ----- we have had many.

But this I know. God is in charge! He knows where we are going and how we are going to get there! He also knows US, calls us by name, and the hairs of our head are numbered. There is nothing that can separate us from the Love of God that is in Christ Jesus - nothing! Not life, not death, not principalities or powers, not trials or tribulations, not sickness, not terrorist attacks, not anything on, in, above, or under the earth that can separate us who are IN CHRIST JESUS - by His marvelous grace.

I am happy to read the information and teachings and enjoy these discussions and you put your throughts on this deep subject so well.

But now, for tonight, I am just gonna say - it is a joy to know that despite the deepening darkness, God is on the throne and in control and will bring us through whatever lies ahead.

96 posted on 08/10/2002 7:02:04 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: COB1
Thanks for the ping. Her faith is truly inspirational.
98 posted on 08/10/2002 7:18:26 PM PDT by ru4liberty
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To: COB1; LadyX
The prodigal return bump. Thanks for the pings.
99 posted on 08/10/2002 7:31:38 PM PDT by swheats
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To: ForGod'sSake

100 posted on 08/10/2002 7:39:39 PM PDT by Dubya
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