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‘I WAS TOLD TO DOPE MY KID'
New York Post ^ | 8/07/02 | DOUGLAS MONTERO

Posted on 08/07/2002 12:53:51 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:08:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Should school systems be allowed to recommend that children be put on psychoactive drugs?

A 12-year-old upstate boy says the trusted educators in his local school forced him to take a cocktail of drugs that turned him into a psychotic who heard voices in his head.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: adhd; paxil; ritalin
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To: nonliberal
"Does ADHD really exist? We never had it in school when I was growing up. If a kid acted up, they got disciplined."

That's because back then, no one knew how to slap a label on misbehaving kids so that they could be used as bigtime moneymakers. There's gold in them thar kids. The more kids they can classify as "special" (under any imaginable category), the more money there is to be made from them.

Are the kids denied a proper education? Are they handed an insurmountable setback in life? Are they stigmatized for the rest of their lives? Who cares! There's money to be made from 'em, and the more, the merrier!

81 posted on 08/07/2002 6:25:13 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Sandy
And Mel Gibson has the hots for me.

And who can blame him? ;-)

82 posted on 08/07/2002 6:25:55 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Knuckle Sandwich Combo
Michael was medicated to keep the evil, dreaded disease known as MASCULINITY from surfacing

I agree. I am the mother of three boys. It is not natural for boys to sit still and be quiet all day in a classroom.

83 posted on 08/07/2002 6:26:39 AM PDT by knuthom
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To: philman_36
The quickest way to resolve this little tiff would be to imagine what your response would be to Dane's hypothetical. Let's imagine that marijuana is legally proscribed to an ill-behaved 12 year old. The parents resist, but the kid must take the drug in order to return to school. What would your reaction be?

I would guess the first thing the libertarians would say is that that's what you get for using a government school. They would say to remove the child from the school--home school, go to a private school. Ulimately, it is a parent who must protect the child, even from the government.

But what would you say about prescribing marijuana to a 12 year old as a behavioral management strategy?

84 posted on 08/07/2002 6:31:25 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Steve Eisenberg
Instead the mother just went along with the district she is now suing.

That sounds about right.

85 posted on 08/07/2002 6:33:16 AM PDT by Huck
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To: SkyPilot
I am by no means an advocate for hyperactivity drugs, but schools restrict what how you can deal with hyper, off the wall, kids in the classroom. Chances are you are stuck with them unless they spill blood. Unfortunately if parents don't take responsiblity and control of their children, then their government (or schools) will.
86 posted on 08/07/2002 6:36:38 AM PDT by getbillnow
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To: kattracks
This should be a nice challenge in court. Someone should go to jail.
87 posted on 08/07/2002 6:37:02 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: kattracks
Sigh...I always hesitate to tell this story.

Let me say from the start that I believe ADD/ADHD does exist, but that it is overdiagnosed and overmedicated. Many, if not most, children diagnosed with ADD/ADHD simply have behavioral problems that can be corrected with discipline and in some cases diet.

HOWEVER, some children really do need something more.

When my son entered the 2nd Grade, his teacher almost immediately suspected him as ADHD. (We later talked to his first grade teacher - we had moved to a different school district - who had the same suspicions but felt 1st grade is too early to diagnose - which is correct).

At the school's recommendation, we took him to our family doctor who literally said to me, "Well, he looks well adjusted, but if the school thinks he needs Ritalin, I'll write the prescription." I walked out and we never took him back.

We found a pediatrician who specialize in kids with ADHD and other disorders. Her own children have ADHD. She spent 2 hours with him on the first visit. She interviewed him, and did a complete physical, interviewed us, interviewed the school guidance counselor and his teachers, and then suggested medication.

We did this hesitantly after my wife read volumes of information. And, it was like night and day - at school anyway. He did quite well up until about the middle of fifth grade.

That was when his brother was born prematurely and our attention was focused on the baby (another long story, but he's fine now). So in the midst of that, with him starting into puberty, the Dr. prescribed an anti-depressant. I let that go on for about a week and said "no more." He was lethargic. So she adjusted the prescription for ADHD.

When she tried to change it again, I put my foot down and said "that's it." What helped him through elementary school was no longer working and I'm not willing to try everything out there to get the "right mix."

He's still incredibly disorganized and incredibly ADHD. (We watch him do his math homework, check to see that it's complete, watch him put it in his binder and into his book bag -- but it still doesn't make it to class...) But since he's 13 now, he's learning there are consequences to all of that. And the consequences are things that matter to him now. And quite frankly, other than the disorganization stuff, he's a normal, well adjusted 13-year-old (which means he still drives us crazy).

Maybe we'd do it differently now. But I don't think so. I'm not ready to say that ADHD doesn't exist.

Unfortunately, kids that really do need help get lumped in with the kids who just need a swift kick in the butt.

Ultimately, it's up to the parents to know what the heck is going on and to determine what is best for their child.

88 posted on 08/07/2002 6:38:22 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Don Joe
Grammar cops should try to speak in complete sentences...
I never claimed to be a "grammar cop" nor have I ever claimed to have perfect grammar or even acceptable grammar. You and Dane are calling me one. I worry about the grammar cops, such as yourself, myself.
Thanks for the link though, I need all the help I can get on "proper grammar". Oh, I try to keep my grammar proper, but sumtimes it just ain't no fun a'tall being "proper", if'n ya know whut I meen.
I stated that I couldn't make out what Dane was making (a statement, a question or if there should have been a comma or something in there [a grammatical error]). Can you tell me what it was or what it was meant to be since you're cojoined at the hip?
"...in which it was picking its nose"?
Speaking of "nose picking"...have a laugh on me.
Do you judge folks by their teeth as well as their grammar too (like someone unnamed)?
Why are you fighting Dane's battles anyway? (Oh that's right, you're just being a "grammar cop" yourself) Or are you still fighting the same one? Holding his water for him or are you just "lookin' fer a fight"? If'n a fight, I got a wet paper sack for ya that ya couldna fought yer way outt'n anyhow...
89 posted on 08/07/2002 6:40:22 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Huck
The quickest way to resolve this little tiff...
And along comes upcHuck claiming there is a "tiff" too.
...would be to imagine what your response would be to Dane's hypothetical. Let's imagine that marijuana is legally proscribed to an ill-behaved 12 year old. The parents resist, but the kid must take the drug in order to return to school. What would your reaction be?
My reaction is that I can't "imagine" Dane's, "hypothetical" ever occurring in the first place and why, as such, it was stupid to even compare it, much less "imagine it", in the first place!
90 posted on 08/07/2002 6:51:41 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Huck
I would guess...
Do you get notions too?
91 posted on 08/07/2002 6:53:01 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
My reaction is that I can't "imagine" Dane's, "hypothetical" ever occurring in the first place and why, as such, it was stupid to even compare it, much less "imagine it", in the first place!

I can imagine it happening in, say, Portland, Oregon, or Santa Cruz, California. But I guess I just have an active imagination (you suppose there's something I could take for that?) ;-)

92 posted on 08/07/2002 6:55:10 AM PDT by Huck
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To: kattracks
I have volunteered in public schools for ten years. From personal observation it is clear that there are very few, but there are some, children who are clearly hyper-active. They are unable to control their actions and medication can be of great help.

Many teachers want children sedated to make their job easier, not the child's life better.

Some states threaten to remove the child from the parent's home if they do not put the child on medication.

SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.........

Ultimately parents must be willing to work with a child who seems out of control or unable to concentrate. There are some things that help and diet is one......but it varies from child to child. Certain foods trigger hyperactivity but it's not the same food in every child. Spend time observing your child and seach out ways to help modify unacceptable behaviour.

93 posted on 08/07/2002 6:59:00 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: philman_36
And along comes upcHuck

BTW, this shows a want of class. And that's not my imagination. It's a fact.

94 posted on 08/07/2002 7:00:43 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck
But what would you say about prescribing marijuana to a 12 year old as a behavioral management strategy?
I'd say that it sounds about as stupid as "imagining a hypothetical".
BTA, it isn't prescribed as a behavioral management strategy like Ritalin is, is it.
What do you say about prescribing a drug very similar to cocaine to a 12 year old as a behavioral management strategy?
95 posted on 08/07/2002 7:01:06 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Huck
BTW, this shows a want of class.
You're so right. Do unto others as they do unto you.
When you show some class you'll get some in return.
96 posted on 08/07/2002 7:02:11 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36

Some of my notions

97 posted on 08/07/2002 7:02:12 AM PDT by TxBec
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To: kattracks
I'll be keeping my eye on this one, thank you.

I had to fight a preemptive battle with our school system last year in order to avoid a situation like this.
Wich we won thanks to the great ideas and support of other Freepers!
If they ever think about too loud I will give them this article to chew on.

98 posted on 08/07/2002 7:05:39 AM PDT by Outlaw76
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To: TxBec
Nancy's Notions!
99 posted on 08/07/2002 7:08:47 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
When you show some class you'll get some in return.

Be sure to test that proposition some time when you get a chance. In the meantime, I'll move along. Best of luck to you.

100 posted on 08/07/2002 7:09:03 AM PDT by Huck
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