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To: WellsFargo94
My point is if the government didn't create an "escape" route for these young women (teenagers, too often)that included more innocent victims and pawns (children born to them), then we'd have far fewer irresponsible single mothers out there. Should we have a temporary saftey net? Sure, but short term only, not to be used accessively.

Once again, it take TWO people to create new people not one. Why do you only call women irresponsible?

For every "single mother" there is a single father out there. Every single time. We just can't seem to accept biology. Women CANNOT create a new child by herself. Not ever, not even once in 10,000 years has this ever happened.

So, if the government didn't create an "escape route" for irresponsible men as well as irresponsible women who co-create a child, and required BOTH parents to support and care for their kids we'd have far fewer irresponsible people overall.

We're not going to solve anything by unilaterally blaming only half the parties involved.

7 posted on 08/11/2002 12:35:51 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
The welfare policies of the '60s encouraged welfare moms to have 5 kids by age 18 to max out government benefits. The same policies would have stripped the "single mother" of those benefits if the sperm donor(s) were permitted to live in the same household. The government created the rules of the game to build a society of welfare "moms" and their copious offspring. It was bad policy then. It is still bad policy. It is wrong to foster generations of taxpayer supported bastards. The parents of the "welfare set" are the bottom of society. Uneducated, unemployed burdens on society. The liberal politicians insist on penalizing the productive parts of society to cultivate the dregs. It is time that this part of society take responsibility for itself. Even the lowest paying jobs deliver income to the earner more efficiently than benefits dispensed from taxpayer coffers by the parasites working for government welfare agencies.

Government needs to remove the incentive to create more bastards. For those who already exist, the benefits should be made contingent upon DNA verified identification of the bio dad and mom. The DNA verified parentage must be held accountable for support of the offspring. It is THEIR responsibility, NOT the taxpayers.

8 posted on 08/11/2002 1:45:48 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Lorianne
So, if the government didn't create an "escape route" for irresponsible men as well as irresponsible women who co-create a child, and required BOTH parents to support and care for their kids we'd have far fewer irresponsible people overall.

I acknowledged the obvious in my previous post. Yes, this creates an irresponsible attitude in men as well. Consider, however, that the image that you are portraying is that of a "couple". Too often these women are impregnated by a "boyfriend" who has several other women on the line and are not willing to or just will not commit to a relationship with one, be it inside or outside of marriage. If they are in an exclusive relationship, too often it's just about sex anyway. Women who allow themselves into these kinds of relationships have a lot of issues, but subconciously or even conciously, they want to have a baby because their lives are devoid of a deep and meaningful relationship and they want someone to love them. Notice I didn't say they wanted someone to love, but rather they want to feel the joy of someone who cherishes them. But, that is unfair to a child as that twisted thinking is unhealthy for everyone and a cycle is continued. Boys throughout their lives, but especially in the adolescent and teen years, learn to be men by the influence of the men in their lives. If their only example of a man is someone who comes to service their mother on occasion, guess what? The cycle continues for them as well.

So I lay the blame on women because they are ultimately responsible for their ability to reproduce. Okay, men can wear a condom, but why do you think sexually transmitted diseases are on the rise despite increased awareness and the availability and free access of said items?

Too often these women they will continue to have a small child in the home so that they won't be taken off welfare. Yes, they continually have children outside of marriage, to collect welfare (don't tell me that this is not the reason as I've met many of these women). But I will say this, the safety net of welfare also exists because it is extremely difficult for women to get off of welfare as they don't have job skills, they don't have daycare, they don't have medical insurance. Many times it's because they are drug addicts or they don't know life with structure as they've never had it, or seen it. Thus we have kids who are entering gangs because there is a sense of belonging and it's a way to survive.

9 posted on 08/11/2002 7:08:22 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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