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FBI's sting snares 7,000 paedophiles across Britain
The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 08/04/2002 | David Bamber

Posted on 08/03/2002 4:54:57 PM PDT by Pokey78

More than 7,000 British paedophiles have been snared in a sting operation by US authorities investigating two worldwide internet child pornography rings.

Detectives in Britain have been given the names and addresses of 7,272 Britons who used their credit cards to access pictures of under-age children, some as young as a few months old, engaged in sex acts.

Unbeknown to the paedophiles, the two sites which they were using had been seized last year by agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation. British police now plan a series of raids on the suspects in what will be the country's largest paedophile investigation.

The Telegraph has learned that the National Criminal Intelligence Service, which co-ordinates use of intelligence against criminals in Britain, has already used the FBI information to organise the arrest of 36 paedophiles in May. Detectives now intend to swoop on many more offenders, all believed to be men, over the next few months.

Anyone who subscribed to the sites and viewed images faces a jail term of up to five years.

All of the paedophiles registered on the pay-per-view websites between May 1999 and September last year. Every customer had to provide an e-mail address and his credit card details: by return they were sent a username and password to enable them to log on to a paedophile site. In October, detectives in the US arrested the websites' owners and seized the database.

The FBI has raided hundreds of homes of subscribers in the US but has found difficulty in mounting prosecutions because the American definition of possessing indecent internet pornography is much laxer than that in British law.

Det Supt Peter Spindler of the National Crime Squad, who organised May's raid, confirmed that it would be the first of many in this country.

He said: "This is the first time we have targeted people who use the internet to buy images of children being sexually abused. We will continue these operations to protect children and show paedophiles that law enforcement agencies will find them, regardless of which area of the internet they use."

News of the investigation will heighten concerns about the levels of paedophile activity in Britain, highlighted by the murder in 1999 of eight-year-old Sarah Payne and the campaign for a "Sarah's Law", which would reveal the whereabouts of child abusers.

Carole Howlett, the Deputy Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, who has led the campaign against child abuse on the internet, said that the investigation proved the extent of the problem.

"A lot more work needs to be done," she said. "There is no greater priority than the protection of children: it should become a ministerial priority and it should be a priority of every policing plan in the country. We have a fair way to go."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: childporn; childpornography; pedophiles
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To: 4Freedom
I agree on shaking down buyers, that's good police work. Maybe there's still time to do that in this particular case, but I doubt it. Sounds like they want the buyers' heads rather than trading those heads for sellers.
41 posted on 08/03/2002 8:22:52 PM PDT by palmer
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To: SandfleaCSC
Horsepucky. I understand and share your sentiments about the crime and the perpetrators in this thread. My problem is that the FBI is generating, storing, and SELLING this crap which makes them just as complicit and guilty as your average pervert with a modem. You can beat someone to death with a Bible, but that doesn't assure you a place in heaven.

7,000 people in England are guilty of helping to create a market in pictures in which little kids have been forced into sexual acts. This is evil, pure and simple. Do you have a better idea for getting these people behind bars? If not, this will do just fine. I care more about these kids than about the FBI. I would think that most people would.

42 posted on 08/03/2002 8:25:28 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Pokey78
FBI's sting snares 7,000 paedophiles across Britain

Hahaha, in Britain?
That's like bragging about arresting five litterbugs in New York City.

43 posted on 08/03/2002 8:26:54 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: palmer
You're jumping to false conclusions. They'll get everything they can get.

What department wouldn't want the chance to shake down over 7,000 perverts that could lead to the bust of a major child porn ring? Maybe many.

All of these perverts won't be in possession of other child porn, but some will.

Then they just follow it back to source.
44 posted on 08/03/2002 8:30:31 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: Lancey Howard
They probably snared that many in our country and in many others.

I think you're wrongly assuming that they only snared perverts in England from the title of this article.
45 posted on 08/03/2002 8:34:55 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: Pokey78
I have to ask. How are these pictures generated? Are the parents involved? I can see runaway teens being involved without parents, but the article referred to "months old".

Is the FBI going after the producers and parents of these kids?
46 posted on 08/03/2002 8:47:26 PM PDT by TheLooseThread
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To: 4Freedom
And you approve of the sick SOB's who are selling the pictures?
47 posted on 08/03/2002 8:47:46 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: 4Freedom
Let's hope so, at least in the cases where money changed hands.
48 posted on 08/03/2002 8:53:07 PM PDT by palmer
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To: Doctor Stochastic
I don't believe that using the porn to snare perverts makes anyone in the FBI a sick SOB.

I don't believe a jury of 12 would agree either.

The FBI did the whole world a favor.

I hope these sick SOB's, the FBI caught, fry.
49 posted on 08/03/2002 8:56:25 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Kim, there sure are some sick people in this world. Thanks for the ping.
50 posted on 08/03/2002 9:21:39 PM PDT by GummyIII
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To: SandfleaCSC
Pedophiles in jail. Sounds right to me. Goddamned nancyboys. May they rot in hell.
51 posted on 08/03/2002 9:58:28 PM PDT by mercy
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To: Yeti
Rather than have the pervs actually get nailed and tagged, you would rather the pictures are removed pronto but the pervs REMAIN at large and trolling the internet for thousands of other available kiddie-pics.

When you finally get a clue, please feel free to open a window and let the rest of the world in on it...

52 posted on 08/03/2002 10:08:59 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Pokey78
Just curious...but why are the Brit cops announcing that they are going after these 7,000 people before they hit the streets? Could it be that they don't really want to find much?

All over the UK, you can bet that more than 7,000 hard drives are being formatted and/or replaced before the Bobbies show up at the door!

53 posted on 08/03/2002 10:19:10 PM PDT by gaelwolf
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To: SandfleaCSC
Try reading the article.

All of the paedophiles registered on the pay-per-view websites between May 1999 and September last year. Every customer had to provide an e-mail address and his credit card details: by return they were sent a username and password to enable them to log on to a paedophile site. In October, detectives in the US arrested the websites' owners and seized the database.

The FBI did not generate, operate or sell anything. They shut down a site and are using it's database that goes back three years to bust pervs who purchased kiddie porn.

No intrapment here at all, just pedophiles getting caught trading money for dirty pics of kids.

54 posted on 08/03/2002 10:30:53 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: SamAdams76
What if a pedophile obtained my ISP sign-on and posed as me to open an account with a pedophile site?

What if a bank robber dropped your stolen billfold while committing a bank robbery? Do we allow bank robbers to go free because they may blame the robbery on you?

55 posted on 08/03/2002 10:53:22 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: max61
And the Fed's provided them what they wanted. Both should be in prison.

Why? How do you suggest they find these people? Or, are we complaining on this subject because you really feel people should be allowed to develop a market for this stuff? Hm....wonder what that 4 mo. old baby would think of your attitude.

As a parent - I am in agreement with efforts to track down these people. They will scurry like the cockroaches when the light is shown on their activities.

56 posted on 08/03/2002 11:05:01 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: Valpal1
Bump to no entrapment..
57 posted on 08/03/2002 11:27:27 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: 4Freedom
I doubt they used real kiddie porn. They were probably computer generated.

That's OK, then. I'm sure when potential molesters see that, they are only inspired to rape computer generated kids.

58 posted on 08/04/2002 5:27:35 AM PDT by Yeti
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To: F16Fighter
you would rather the pictures are removed pronto but the pervs REMAIN at large

They had the database of users and card info when they seized the server. No need to distribute child porn, unless they want to attract NEW users(make some more pervs).

Ahhh.... fresh air!

59 posted on 08/04/2002 5:32:09 AM PDT by Yeti
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To: 4Freedom
Yeah, that's the first thing a sane person is going to wonder when they read this article. Sure.

Not the first thing, but one of several things.

Someone's got a great chance for winning a lawsuit against the FBI for planting the idea to go out and rape a child in their head.

No, probably not. But the kid who gets raped would probably wish they had just shut the server down and bust everyone in the database.

I remember years ago on some daytime talk show a porn woman trying to persuade housewives that porn is a good thing for their husbands. "He watches my videos and I get him horney, then YOU get the sex!"

So he watches the site and the FBI gets him horny, then the KIDS get raped! Is that really too complicated?

The reason child porn is illegal is because IT INCITES CHILD RAPE, and children who were victimized to produce it continue to be victimized when it is distributed! The FBI is in the business of victimizing children and INCITING CHILD RAPE ALL OVER THE WORLD!

7000+ in England alone! And the site was American! How much $$$ per month did the FBI make doing this?

60 posted on 08/04/2002 5:50:58 AM PDT by Yeti
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