Judge orders names of all detainees in 9/11 probe released

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[Brian Mosely]

MSNBC NEWS BULLETIN Judge orders names released All detainees in 9/11 probe Details to come ...

[carenot]

First off, all of them are foreigners.

How do we know that?

[tomahawk]

Great post Esquire. -Tomahawk, Esq.

[mathurine]

Another Ivy League pissant. Time has come to dismiss the establishment and reinstate common sense. She is also a rather ridiculous looking woman, which may be part of the reason for her peculiarities. Odd and ugly women do tend to flock to the politically radical component of society.

[Catspaw]

FOIA has well-established exceptions for disclosure that include this situation.

From reading the opinion, she basically stood 7A, 7C & 7F on its heads & said the government didn't make a compelling enough argument for these sections of the FOIA to apply to this case.

I wonder, in Judge Kessler's eyes, if there is any situation in which she'd allow 7A, 7C & 7F to apply. Wartime doesn't count, it seems.

[carenot]

but ones to ask me for my passport would not phase me one bit,

It sure would phase me! I ain't never had one.

[FreeTheHostages]

I agree. As a technical matter, I can't imagine a better Section 7 argument than this one. But I can imagine this: Judge Kessler relishing a big splash in the press. I once actually heard her say that she wished the lawyers before her would settle more of the mundate cases so she could -- her words -- focus more on the "high visibility" cases. That's *not* the way you like to hear an Article III judge think aloud. The lawyers in the room were pretty much aghast: it meant not only that she thought this way, but that she was witless enough to declare it pubicly. Scarey stuff.

[mathurine]

Her eminence looks very pruny, and we could hope she will continue to dry up and eventually blow away. Dumb c__T. Title IX strikes again.

[carenot]

You bet there are and we're glad you're not responsible for defending our personal freedoms.

Personal freedom is what I believe we have a right to. That is what I am trying to do here.

People are held with no charges for months and no one is told where they are. I think that is an assault on personal freedom.

[FreeTheHostages]

Another Ivy League pissant. Time has come to dismiss the establishment and reinstate common sense. She is also a rather ridiculous looking woman, which may be part of the reason for her peculiarities. Odd and ugly women do tend to flock to the politically radical component of society.

Sorry, gonna call you on that one. I'm Ivy League and female and that doesn't make me leftist or ugly. (Although, hee hee, um, OK, I could stand to lose a few pounds.) The problem with Judge Kessler isn't that she's female. It's that she's using her politics on the bench. She's actually weirdly tougher on women than men -- many a female lawyer will tell you watch out, she kinda fawns over the guys and beats up on the women. Here, both of the 2 lawyers before her were female, so I don't think it was an issue.

She's not ugly-looking, OK? Please, let's not turn into weird stereotypes of sexist conservatives. Her problem isn't that she's female or ugly. She's probably at least average-looking for that bench. (But remarkably thin -- strangely so.) Her problem is that she's *way* too political for the bench, and really that was President Clinton's problem. She's a good friend socially of Lois Schiffer, former head counsel for National People's [sic] Radio and then, under Clinton, Deputy Attorney General for Natural Resources etc. They're all part of this Ivy League left feminist crowd.

[mathurine]

and the horse she rode in on.

[TLBSHOW]

Islam is the enemy and Islam is a false religion!

[FreeTheHostages]

Wait, what am I saying: I think the fact that she's Ivy League probably could be held against her. It helped to make her elistist and leftist, one could assume. And lacking in common sense. So I'll give you that political bias point, I guess, although there are many exceptions. (Cough.) But don't assume she's leftist just 'cause she's a girl. Some of us girls are good!

[scannell]

Amen Brother, Preach it.

[Looking for Diogenes]

Read the Court of Appeals ruling that will be coming out later reversing her.

Thanks. I'll look forward to it.

I've dealt with FOIA before, and the Govt. usually gets away with keeping information about active investigations secret.

From reading the opinion it looks to me like the problem lies with the attorneys from the Justice Dept. The judge outlines the standards they needed to meet in the law and how they failed. The judge repeatedly mentions that the government has failed to addressthe statutory requirements of the FOIA, not that they had failed the requirements themselves. Perhaps the legal team who defended this case were new to the field. Or perhaps they were busy with other cases.

My interpetation of the case is that it will in fact be overturned on appeal. Not because the judge acted incorrectly here, but because the government will have gotten its case together and presents them better.

Of course the order will be stayed until appeal. In the end, this opinion probably won't count for anything. That does not mean it was faulty. A wiser judge may have found an excuse for the government to amend its case and saved a visit to appeals.

[jwalsh07]

As far as a wager how would I pay you if you won or how would you pay me I win?

Simple, if I win you send a hundred to Joe and if you win I send a hundred.

[jwalsh07]

Her opinion was basically this:

Since the government has already released or deported 900 some odd detainees and has only charged one with being a member of Al Qaeda then the rest must be guiltless as well. She's an idiot.

[FreeTheHostages]

She's an idiot.

That just about sums it up.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

Thank you for your insightful posts. Another Clintonite in love with the spotlight. Heaven help us.

[jwalsh07]

From the judges, and I use that term lossely, opinion.

Despite demands from members of Congress, numerous civil liberties and human rights organizations, and the media, the Government refused to make public the number of people arrested, their names, their lawyers, the reasons for their detention, and other information relating to their whereabouts and circumstances.2

[terilyn]

Thanks for taking the time to look for the facts and post them.