Why Didn't We Hear About This Sooner? Wall St. Journal Picks Up Crogan's Story on OKC/911 Link

Wall St. Journal Online Opinion Journal ^ | 7/31/02

[glorygirl]

The motel owner said that Moussaoui and a man who appeared to be Marwan al-Shehhi --who helped crash a jetliner into the south tower of the World Trade Center--were friendly and said a few things, but Atta was clearly the leader. "He did most of the talking and seemed very serious," said the owner, adding, "I was standing face to face, about two feet away from Atta, and talked to the three of them for about 10 minutes. . . .

[backhoe]

Backhoe? Do your best with this.....

I'll send it in the morning email... it will greatly help that a major "name" like the WSJ has mentioned this.

But I say again:

All you lurkers and surfers and people who only believe what you see on TV-- you have not gotten the whole story, on this or many other stories.

You literally don't know what you have not been told- so how would you know what you have missed?

Time to wake up and smell:

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[Dales]

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[Nita Nupress]

Who stands to gain most from these apparent revelations?

The Oklahoma City bombing victims and their families.

[Nita Nupress]

Interesting find glorygirl. Will it grow legs????

The fact that it was picked up by the WSJ is interesting and a little surprising. I'm not sure what to make of it; where there's smoke, there's fire???

I suspect this is only a teaser. ;-)

[TigersEye]

In my own research on the history of crime, several journals which can only be described as rags played an important role (Le Nouveau Detective, in the French language on the Dutroux Affair, and the Illawarra Mercury, in Australia, on police corruption scandals on the NSW south coast.) These papers sometimes carry important stories which the more respectable won't touch.

By 'more respectable' I assume you mean mainstream media papers. Or Corporate Media papers owned and controlled by international corporate businesses who also own shares, perhaps, in the Federal Reserve Bank? Who also own controlling shares in AP, Reuters, etc, etc.

That lamestream Corporate Media has got the news I trust, yesiree.

[TigersEye]

They want to create the image that OK City and 911 are linked to discredit those who point out how our government has lied about OK City and to draw attention away from the lies they told.

The lies are getting thin and shaky and we all want to believe it was A-rab terrorists anyway. (Not to mention several ME groups tried to take credit for OKC but that info. was stifled at the time. Why?)

Motivation? Who stands to gain most from these apparent revelations?

Hmmmm, who indeed? It's interesting that the government prosecuters aren't interested in using this info. to tie Moussaoui to Atta. They have nothing else to directly link him to Atta and crew. Why are they taking a pass on a strong eyewitness? Why is Big Media taking a pass on breaking this story? (Surely they had this info. before the LA Weekly. No?)

[Alamo-Girl]

Bump!

[Red Jones]

surely, you would think that whoever gave this story to LA Weekly also gave it to other newspapers.

Whoever didn't sleep through the 1990's should be well aware that lies have become commonplace in our public life. That's all we really know.

[TigersEye]

bttt

[Wm Bach]

Who stands to gain most from these apparent revelations? I don't know, but there's probably some conspiracy types that could come up with something.

Mr. Conspiracy Conjecturer here at your service. How about this? This bit about the hotel is a factoid which they can prove is untrue, or else prove true but still have nothing to do with the OKC bombing, and therefore there must be nothing to the Nichols / Philippine terrorists connection.

This is a proven strategy in the area of ufology. People DO see UFOs. The government doesn't want people blabbering on about what might be the newest toy in the black budget arsenal. Therefore they find one easy case which can be debunked and whose observers can be exposed as nuts or frauds. That way, any other legitimate observations by competent people can likewise be dismissed as just more tinfoil nutburgery.

Competent people are still seeing things that might be Aurora, stealth recon blimps, and Lord knows what else the ghost of Kelly's Lockheed Skunkworks left lying around, but they aren't going to risk the taint and ridicule by saying anything about it.

[ForGod'sSake]

G'morning Nita,

The Oklahoma City bombing victims and their families.

Arguable, but I see your point....closure??? You probably know I was asking more in terms of who might stand to gain political points making hay out of this.

I suspect this is only a teaser.

Hmmmm, well, do you believe the story is credible? If this is a teaser, what should be the next phase of escalation? Or, this is a chunk of raw meat thrown to some hungry dogs; let the chips fall?????

FGS

[ForGod'sSake]

FOUL!!!

I'll ask the questions(since I don't have any of the answers). ; )

This all appears to be a big game of intrigue by America's finest. Given their indiscretions of the past, I can see why they wouldn't want their subjects aware of their failings. More of the bent one's legacy?

FGS

[ForGod'sSake]

This bit about the hotel is a factoid which they can prove is untrue, or else prove true but still have nothing to do with the OKC bombing, and therefore there must be nothing to the Nichols / Philippine terrorists connection.

So, who is "they" in this scenario? And, what would they expect to gain by throwing a tidbit of information into the mix that only muddies the water? I'm afraid I can't make heads or tails of it.

On another note; the things that go bump in the night, odd sightings, etc: I have a reliable second hand account of an unusual UFO here in these piney woods. The person making the claim believed it to be evidence of aliens(ET type) amongst us. I told him more likely our tax dollars hard a work ; )

FGS

[Wm Bach]

RE:"They"

They are the custodians of the U.S. economy. I believe Billybubba used avery means at his disposal to ensure re-election, regardless of how many agencies he had to taint to accomplish this. He certainly positioned his own people in the right places, and was able to blackmail those who might raise a stink. Many of those people, of both camps, are still there.

The question then becomes, why on Earth would Dubya not lift the rock and expose all the roaches? Because Bubba built a facade of an economy, and to minimize further damage in light of the current, er...malaise, Dubya can not afford to let the American People suspect the true extent of corruption at all levels of government.

I think there still exists a huge domino construction of mutual blackmail within both parties. Dirty laundry that everyone suspects, but which we choose to ignore, lest it burst the bubble of mass psychosis that everything's gonna be all right.

Faith in the illusion of government. That's what it's all about at this point.

In retrospect, the veil of forgetfullness and non comprehension that accompanies Alzheimer's is perhaps a gift from God to Reagan, considering how much we've let Him, and the Gipper down.

[thinden]

what's the URL of arlene's website?

[thinden]

what follows is a snip on arlene blanchard:

Blanchard was inside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building when it was bombed nearly seven years ago on April 19, 1995, killing 168 people.

The Christian Women's Club and the After 5 Club are sponsoring the dinner.

"We chose to bring in Arlene Blanchard as our speaker because I had heard from a couple of sources that she was a really dynamic speaker," Betty Rupp, CWC member, said. "People that have heard her speak said that her story was very interesting and that she was just a very vibrant speaker."

In an effort to create awareness, Blanchard has been speaking across the country. She has appeared on the NBC Today Show, ABC Nightline, CNN Court TV, America's Most Wanted and many other local and regional news shows. Blanchard is also a co-author of the book "Forever Changed", written by 80 other survivors and family members. Currently she hosts an Oklahoma City radio program called "Survive and Thrive."

[Nita Nupress]

Arguable, but I see your point....closure??? You probably know I was asking more in terms of who might stand to gain political points making hay out of this.

Yeah, I know.  And I knew you knew that I knew. :-)

Hmmmm, well, do you believe the story is credible? If this is a teaser, what should be the next phase of escalation? Or, this is a chunk of raw meat thrown to some hungry dogs; let the chips fall?????

It may be a teaser for a more in-depth story in the near future by the WSJ.  Or it may just be the WSJ 'testing the waters' on how much of this they can report and maintain their legitimacy.  Regardless, yes, this story is very credible, even though the LAWeekly -- one of the original sources for the WSJ -- is not usually considered as such.   Of this I am sure. 

As BlueDog alluded to here, there's a 'war' going on inside the Beltway for the outcome of all this evidence of Middle Eastern involvement in the OKC bombing.  That's pretty obvious to anyone who is paying attention.  Here's my theory...

I may be wrong, but those recent "leaks from the Pentagon" in the NYTimes & WashCompost (about opposition to war with Iraq) may be connected to all this, perhaps in efforts to stop the growing 'rumblings' of Middle Eastern involvement in OKC.   By planting the 'ill-advised war' ideas in the public's mindset, it gives them possible ammunition later.  IOW, they may be hoping to stop the OKC 'rumors' by trying to put Bush in a checkmate situation.   If Bush allows Dan Burton & others to 'find' all the evidence and tell us the truth about the extent of the M.E./OKC cover-up, they can then discredit Bush by claiming he's crazy and just trying to drum up support for his "ill-advised war."  

Who is the "them" who are leaking the "war is crazy" ideas?   I dunno.  Presumably the same ones who have the most to lose if the true Middle Eastern source of eight years of "domestic" terrorism is revealed.  That would logically be the few key people who originally orchestrated the OKC cover-up.  And to a much lesser extent, those who actively participated.

 The bottom line and determining factor on the outcome of all the evidence of M.E. involvement in OKC, in my opinion, is directly related to how much public pressure we put on the Bush Administration to tell us the truth and let the chips fall where they may. 

If Bush is going to let the truth come out, then he needs public pressure as political cover.  Otherwise, the libs/doves will scream, "He's gone mad.  He's just trying to drum up support so he can go in and finish what his Daddy left undone."

Call your representatives and DEMAND the truth!

[rwfromkansas]

www.tcatd.org

[thinden]

I believe arlene blanchard, now retired(?) from the US Army is the lady that has provided a signed affadavit to OKC grand jury that there was a second bomb connected to a gas line in murrah.

[ForGod'sSake]

Some good points you raise; they deserve further airing IMO.

Call your representatives and DEMAND the truth!

Right. "An informed and motivated citizenry being necessary...."

I'm afraid we've all but lost control of the beast due to lack of vigilance or information, or both. Our free press has committed treasonous acts by not calling the scoundrels in Washington to task. An apathetic and uninformed citizenry is committing constitutional suicide by not calling our free press to task.

Gotta go try to make a couple bucks.

FGS