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To: gcruse
Riiight. Lifestyle police. I mean, heaven forbid someone might stand up for a moral concept now and again.

I'd not say anything about it but there are standards which should be recognized and other things that should be stigmatized... like beastiality, homosexuality, pedophelia--clerical or otherwise--and drug use for example. I don't care if the libertarians think I'm preaching at them. I'm not going to cower in the corner while they destroy our culture along with the liberals.

And let me guess what your next post will be: An indictment of religion and my church? =)

34 posted on 07/30/2002 8:57:49 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
 
I'd not say anything about it but there are standards which
should be recognized and other things that should be stigmatized...

And who gets to choose?  I gotta tell you, I came into this
world red-faced kicking and screaming.  And I don't plan
on letting someone else who came in the world in precisely
the same manner tell me what is moral for me to do.
Other than my using force on someone else,
nothing I do is up for judgement by anybody else.

38 posted on 07/30/2002 9:01:59 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: JMJ333
Feel the heat.
Good job!
40 posted on 07/30/2002 9:04:13 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: JMJ333
You have every right to stand up for your principles and morals, and shout them from the rooftops! The question is whether we should entrust individuals to influence others in society to do right...or whether we want to have the government enforce it. The libertarian viewpoint is that the government should be in charge of punishing people who harm others (murderers, etc.), and citizens should be free to raise their families, influence their friends and convince the world about their moral principles -- but without use of government force.
87 posted on 07/30/2002 10:19:59 PM PDT by ellery
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To: JMJ333
homosexuality, pedophelia

Big difference. Children do not have the mental or physical development to stop sexual advance by adults. It is very morally wrong. Homosexuality, on the other hand, is consenting between two adults.

beastiality People really do this?

177 posted on 07/31/2002 9:36:44 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: JMJ333; tpaine
I'd not say anything about it but there are standards which should be recognized and other things that should be stigmatized... like beastiality, homosexuality, pedophelia--clerical or otherwise

I have NEVER seen any L/libertarian advocate any of these acts. In fact, L/libertarians almost never discuss these acts except in the context of criminal acts for actions violating consent or for acts involving consenting (human) adults in private.

You and those like you seem to have these vile and disgusting acts on the tip of your tongue at a moment's notice.

L/libertarians promote individual liberty, freedom, and responsibility.

Anti-libertarians discuss necrophilia, pedophilia, beastiality, and all kinds of assorted abominations.

Jesus said that you can tell what lies in a man's heart by what comes out of his mouth, or keyboard in today's vernacular. It is truly revealing to see the vile and disgusting things that are ingrained into your heart.

185 posted on 07/31/2002 10:35:32 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: JMJ333
standards which should be recognized and other things that should be stigmatized

I agree. And much of what you listed should be illegal. But to go further than that, one can stigmatize something and not have to make it illegal. I am a Libt., but a 'moral' one. I probably share many of the same beliefs that you do (as far as what you think is wrong), but, I'm not ready to make as many things illegal.

204 posted on 07/31/2002 1:37:18 PM PDT by technochick99
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